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Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Do we know which stops are side or centre platform? Of course the underground stations are centre platform, but what about the at grade ones?
Avenue
Active Member
I assumed grade ones were all side platforms like streetcars.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
Can anyone explain why they never extended the tunnel beyond Laird and ended the tunnel at Science Centre instead? Also, would turnbacks at Science Centre be preferable to Turnbacks at Laird?
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
That’s detailed in the EA, also on the Crosstown website.
Or you could look at the individual stop renders.
44 North
Senior Member
Oh wait, I'm only now realizing that there's so few emergency exits. Originally thought it was mandated to have one between every single station. Guess a new line through downtown will be slightly less complex than I thought.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
There was to be no stop at Sunnybrook Park. It was to be underground all the way from Laird to Science Centre, but the NIMBYs (or is it YIMBYs in this case) demanded a stop at Leslie Street. So got their wish. (Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.)
There are crossovers at Laird and at Science Centre. Laird does has a tail track for storage.
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adrianaliu
Active Member
no problem with this. only real problem (its a big one) in that area is the fact that the at grade section between laird and don mills is in the middle of the street. if it were put at the right side it wouldn't interfere with any traffic and it wouldn't cost as much as a tunnel.
BurlOak
Senior Member
I would say politics. Rob Ford wanted the LRT grade-separated, so Council demanded it be built on-street. This decision was in that short time when Council wanted LRT on-street on Eglinton and the transfer LRT for the SRT. Shortly thereafter, they voted for the SSE and cancelled the transfer SLRT. Ford was out of the picture (not officially, but in reality), and council didn't think about revisiting the ECLRT decision, or more realistically, didn't want to give Ford any type of small victory.
Go back a little farther and you get a different story.
- The original EA had roughly what we have now.
- I remember Steve Munro stating that this was a formality and it would be switched to the South side in detail design.
- Metrolinx said it was impossible to build a portal on the West bank of the West Don, and they would have to tunnel all the way to Don Mills.
- Locals wanted a station at Leslie, but Metrolinx said it was cost prohibitive at $60M.
- They then reverted back to the original EA, to get the Leslie stop reinstated using the previously impossible portal.
I wonder how much extra they paid for that underground cross-over track with storage, compared to if they would have put it at grade on the south side between Leslie and Don Mills.
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44 North
Senior Member
My view is that between Laird and Leslie all options of in-median, south-side, and underground were the wrong approach. I think there was a unstudied option of a separate bridge structure south of Eglinton. Very similar to the Black Creek crossing approaching Mt Dennis. This unstudied Leslie station would be 100% grade-separated, but not deep bore. It would straddle the east valley above the existing parking lot and be on a viaduct structure - perhaps with the eastern end into the portal. I don't see why such a thing couldn't have worked, and certainly scratch my head at Metrolinx's polarized options of 100% deep bore under a river or 100% in median: the two absolute extremes.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
The problem was that we had Rob Ford as mayor. Someone who had very little knowledge, repeat knowledge, about transit. He wouldn't bother looking over the options. He just looked at the cheapest option for a stop and we got it for the Sunnybrook Park stop.
BurlOak
Senior Member
I think this is what is meant by "south-side". The portal would be on the south side, roughly in the same east-west location it is now. It would cross on its own bridge immdedialy south of the current roadway bridge (maybe a bit higher elevation). The Leslie Station would be immediately south of Leslie/Eglinton intersection. The line would either sneak under the end span of the railway bridge, or twin tunnels would be punched through the embankment.
We all remember that Council proudly announced that they were taking the transit file away from Ford in February 2012. This decision was made a year later. Agree that Ford wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. He wanted grade-separated transit, with no idea how to achieve it. There were many ways that Ford could have been accommodated, but it was more important to oppose Ford than to build the proper transit system.
jaybe
Active Member
It is too bad that the LRT was not built on the south side of Eglinton. I wonder if the Eglinton underpass on the east side of the tracks and into Celestica complicated matters?
I think the Sunnybrook Park stop was mandatory. It is a connection to the largest contiguous park area in Toronto that without the stop would be difficult to access by public transit. It will get more people out to enjoy the river, paths and hills through the park.
I think the Sunnybrook Park stop was mandatory. It is a connection to the largest contiguous park area in Toronto that without the stop would be difficult to access by public transit. It will get more people out to enjoy the river, paths and hills through the park.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
The On The Park project, see link, at the northeast corner may help with the Sunnybrook Park stop get use out of it.
Would have been better if the buildings (up to 45 stories) were closer to the stop to provide a shorter walk.
Would have been better if the buildings (up to 45 stories) were closer to the stop to provide a shorter walk.
BurlOak
Senior Member
They just didn't even want to consider south side.
That interchange could have easily been converted to a Diamond interchange to reduce its footprint.