[Leo_Chan]

Imagine future interchange station construction....

Finch West - Line 1 / Line 7

Osgoode - Line 1 / Line 3

Queen - Line 1 / Line 3

Pape - Line 2 / Line 3

Science Centre - Line 3 / Line 5

Don Mills - Line 4 / Line 3

Finch - Line 1 / Line 7

Sheppard West - Line 4 / Line 1

Sheppard/McCowan Road - Line 4 / Line 2

Pearson Airport - Line 5 / Line 7

All my life - only three white dots with three little white circles on the map...then Kennedy to SRT, then Sheppard-Yonge. And finally three more under construction now - Cedarvale, Yonge, and Kennedy.

Boy, we’d almost have a network going at that point...Line 1 is under going track reconstruction at Summerhill this weekend. No bother, I’ll take Line 1 up to Cedarvale from Union and then head back to Eglinton. Shuttle bus...what dat?

Think of the GO interchanges on top of this...Caledonia, Mount Dennis, Landsdowne, Front/Spadina, Gerrard Square, St Clair/Stockyards/512

Remember, I did say “imagine”...

Isn't Finch LRT Line 6?

 

[TransitBart]

Isn't Finch LRT Line 6?

I said imagine...it was numbered 7, and Sheppard East was numbered 6 before it bit the dust.

We can always number the Jane LRT which even made it back into Jennifer Keesmat's and the city priorities a year back as 6....

Or we can re-number Finch as 6 and move on.

 

[Avenue]

Isn't Finch LRT Line 6?

I hope not.

 

[Hopkins123]

Imagine future interchange station construction....

Finch West - Line 1 / Line 7

Osgoode - Line 1 / Line 3

Queen - Line 1 / Line 3

Pape - Line 2 / Line 3

Science Centre - Line 3 / Line 5

Don Mills - Line 4 / Line 3

Finch - Line 1 / Line 7

Sheppard West - Line 4 / Line 1

Sheppard/McCowan Road - Line 4 / Line 2

Pearson Airport - Line 5 / Line 7

All my life - only three white dots with three little white circles on the map...then Kennedy to SRT, then Sheppard-Yonge. And finally three more under construction now - Cedarvale, Eglinton, and Kennedy.

Boy, we’d almost have a network going at that point...Line 1 is under going track reconstruction at Summerhill this weekend. No bother, I’ll take Line 1 up to Cedarvale from Union and then head back to Eglinton. Shuttle bus...what dat?

Think of the GO interchanges on top of this...Caledonia, Mount Dennis, Landsdowne, Front/Spadina, Gerrard Square, St Clair/Stockyards/512

Remember, I did say “imagine”...

You forget:

Dundas West/ Bloor - Line 3 / Line 2

Mt Dennis - Line 3 / Line 5

Or, if we're really thinking far afield...

Hurontario / Dundas - Line 2 /Line 8 (Hurontario Line)

 

[MisterF]

Too bad half those lines will be glorified streetcars that stop at red lights. Of all the LRT and light metro systems being developed across the country - Montreal REM, Ottawa Confederation Line, Vancouver Skytrain, Edmonton and Calgary LRT - none are designed like this except in southern Ontario.

RER will be much more useful than any of the Transit City lines except possibly Eglinton.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Too bad half those lines will be glorified streetcars that stop at red lights. Of all the LRT and light metro systems being developed across the country - Montreal REM, Ottawa Confederation Line, Vancouver Skytrain, Edmonton and Calgary LRT - none are designed like this except in southern Ontario.

RER will be much more useful than any of the Transit City lines except possibly Eglinton.

RER and LRT and subway serve completely different types of trips, so I’m not sure what the point of this comparison is. It’s like saying we don’t need cars now that we have airplanes.

RER is targeted at long distance trips, while LRT is targeted at short to medium trips. More than half of all trips in Toronto (regardless of mode) are less than 5 km.

 

[Amare]

City Council -by a margin of 28 in favor to 14 opposed- rejected to follow through with the planning department's recommendation of sticking the Crosstown West LRT on the centre lanes of Eglinton. They will now look to studying alternatives along the stretch.

On a related note, they also rejected Michael (subway, subway, subway) Ford's fantasy of tunneling the whole Crosstown West line.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...uthorizes-look-at-tunneling-eglinton-lrt.html

 

[Adjei]

Good..

 

[TheTigerMaster]

City Council -by a margin of 28 in favor to 14 opposed- rejected to follow through with the planning department's recommendation of sticking the Crosstown West LRT on the centre lanes of Eglinton. They will now look to studying alternatives along the stretch.

On a related note, they also rejected Michael (subway, subway, subway) Ford's fantasy of tunneling the whole Crosstown West line.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...uthorizes-look-at-tunneling-eglinton-lrt.html

Are they looking at 100% grade separation, or merely targeted separation at intersections?

 

[Amare]

^I havent found details out the details on how exactly they will be proceeding, but from what I caught I believe they will be primarily looking at tunneling options with grade separation at intersections.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

City Council -by a margin of 28 in favor to 14 opposed- rejected to follow through with the planning department's recommendation of sticking the Crosstown West LRT on the centre lanes of Eglinton. They will now look to studying alternatives along the stretch.

On a related note, they also rejected Michael (subway, subway, subway) Ford's fantasy of tunneling the whole Crosstown West line.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...uthorizes-look-at-tunneling-eglinton-lrt.html

Are they looking at 100% grade separation, or merely targeted separation at intersections?

^I havent found details out the details on how exactly they will be proceeding, but from what I caught I believe they will be primarily looking at tunneling options with grade separation at intersections.

I'm really nervous about suggestions of "tunnelling". That wording would seem to indicate 100% grade separation, like the central portion of the Crosstown, which is totally unnecessary for the western part of this corridor, and will get really expensive, really fast.

 

[Rainforest]

City Council -by a margin of 28 in favor to 14 opposed- rejected to follow through with the planning department's recommendation of sticking the Crosstown West LRT on the centre lanes of Eglinton. They will now look to studying alternatives along the stretch.

On a related note, they also rejected Michael (subway, subway, subway) Ford's fantasy of tunneling the whole Crosstown West line.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...uthorizes-look-at-tunneling-eglinton-lrt.html

Cool! A rare occasion of the Council going in the right direction.

Of course, there is a risk that they will go too far and opt for full tunneling, which would be unnecessary and unreasonable for this corridor, especially taking into account the LRT technology chosen for its versatility but not optimal for a fully tunneled line.

Let's hope that they end up doing the right thing, and settle for grade-separating all or some of the major intersections, while keeping the rest of this line at grade.

 

[crs1026]

Just to get the details straight - The original recommendation before Council, as approved at Executive Committee, was (bold and italics added)

4. City Council direct staff to continue planning the Eglinton West LRT transit extension concept for the Toronto Segment between Mount Dennis Station and Renforth Station, including:
a. Ten stops as described in Attachment 2 to the report (November 17, 2017) from the City Manager and the Deputy City Manager, Cluster B; and
b. Direct staff to form a working group of community stakeholders in consultation with local councillors, to investigate further grade separation and or tunnelling options to further develop traffic modelling and an enhanced framework that places additional consideration on local community interest.

Today there were actually three motions, by Councillors Ford Carroll and Cressy, which attempted to modify recommendation b.

Ford attempted to have the line designed as an all below grade design, except for the Humber flood plain; Carroll attempted to have the recommendation deleted outright; Cressy attempted to have the motion revised to explicity direct no further consideration of grade separations at intersections. None of these motions passed.

So, the original recommendation carried today without amendment. I guess that means discussions with the community will continue. I hope that leads to whatever traffic analysis has been done since the EA getting public disclosure. This issue is all about left turns and related delays to LRT vehicles - the very thing that Council just addressed for King Street.

- Paul

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Just to get the details straight - The original recommendation before Council, as approved at Executive Committee, was (bold and italics added)



Today there were actually three motions, by Councillors Ford Carroll and Cressy, which attempted to modify recommendation b.

Ford attempted to have the line designed as an all below grade design, except for the Humber flood plain; Carroll attempted to have the recommendation deleted outright; Cressy attempted to have the motion revised to explicity direct no further consideration of grade separations at intersections. None of these motions passed.

So, the original recommendation carried today without amendment. I guess that means discussions with the community will continue. I hope that leads to whatever traffic analysis has been done since the EA getting public disclosure.

- Paul

Okay, I have nothing wrong with the wording of this motion. This is good.

Ultimately, I suspect the result of this will just be the delaying of the project by another year or two, with the political benefit of allowing councillors to campaign on it. Hopefully it actually results in a better solution.

 

[crs1026]

Ultimately, I suspect the result of this will just be the delaying of the project by another year or two, with the political benefit of allowing councillors to campaign on it. Hopefully it actually results in a better solution.

Hopefully not a year or two. The timeline proposed in the Council documents was to commence the TPAP in Q1 and then

In Q2 2018, staff will report back with a full LRT alignment and concept to be advanced to TPAP addendum which includes both the Toronto Segment and the Airport Segment. The report will include:

• Airport Segment alignment and stop locations;

• Refined at-grade LRT with 10 stops for the Toronto Segment (as recommended in this report);

• Business case update that includes more detailed information on the Airport
  
  Segment of the project; and
  
  
• Measures and associated costs to mitigate local traffic impacts, including findings
  
  from the Martin Grove Road/Eglinton Avenue West Transportation Study.

Hopefully that means that the discussion takes place during the TPAP, which is nominally 6 months. I can live with six months' further debate of all this.

- Paul