sixrings
Senior Member
so some think we could see completion by 2025 which even i think is slow,,, anyone want to estimate how much time it will take if we make this thing an election issue demanding 100% grade separation?
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robmausser
Senior Member
Im not sure on timelines but the best way I think to get politicial will involved is to call Tory out on promising "rapid transit" on this corridor with his Smarttrack plan. Make him think that he will be seen as a flip flopper if he doesnt stick to his promise of rapid transit. That, switching to LRT in his Smarttrack plan was contingent on the LRT system being upgraded to a grade separated system.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
2025 completion is breakneck speed compared to the DRL which, for reasons unknown to me, won’t be starting construction until at least 2025
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Because 4 transit construction projects is “too much” for the city to handle. SSE, DRL, EELRT, EWLRT.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Too much to handle, in what sense? Is there not enough labor available in the construction industry to actually build all that infrastructure simultaneously? I've heard City Planning raise that concern in the past.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
I don’t really have anything to back this up by, but I would assume it would a logistical, economical, and political disaster if more than one project has a problem. Oh, and also add YNSE to that list.
raptor
Senior Member
maybe the gov't can't hand out $XX billions at the same time?
robmausser
Senior Member
You are wondering why a project that will involve underground tunneling in one of the most dense areas in all of Canada will take a long time to get started?
The amount of planning that is required to do such a thing, with tons of high rise foundations, unmarked utilities, enwave pipers, etc is going to be a huge undertaking in itself.
Steve X
Senior Member
It's not that they can't build it. Smaller businesses would have their hands tied and won't be able to bid on all the projects as they don't have the capacity to carry out a surge of work. This will drive up bid prices as bidders know there is less competition as well possibly more overtime required as large construction firms are executing more work at a time.
TransitBart
Senior Member
Someone needs to take a stand and commit to shovels in the ground in a more reasonable 2020.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
The Crosstown LRT took just four years to get from initial proposal to construction, even with all the political obstructionism.
The DRL which is 30% shorter, but running through more challenging areas of the city, is taking 11 years to go from proposal to construction.
I get that the DRL is more complex, but it taking 11 years to start construction, 3x longer than the Crosstown, seems absurd to me.
I mean, we figured out how to get men on the moon three years quicker than it’s taking us to figure out how to even begin digging a tunnel through Downtown Toronto.
As was suggested earlier, I believe it’s more likely that the delay is because the local construction industry can’t handle all these simultaneous projects, and not because the construction sites are so challenging that it’ll actually take 11 years to plan it.
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
This would be amazing if it had larger than an infinitesimally small chance of happening. Even a 2031 opening date is quite unlikely, but who knows, maybe funding will come "fully funded" by the province in the 2022 election(assuming there are announcements for the 2018 election).
They need to try for 2023. I know they're (rightly) afraid UPX will be done for, but this connection is needed.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
2023 construction start or opening?
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
opening.
sixrings
Senior Member
Isn't the ea and design process done. Above ground lrt is supposed to be relatively easy and quick to install. The only reason for a delay is deferred funding