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TheTigerMaster said:
The other option is for the TTC to design and build. If the project gets canceled in the design phase, the TTC obviously won't charge hundred of millions in cancelation penalties. A design and build consortium would. So having the TTC do it makes it more prone to cancelation.
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why can't TTC charge hundreds of millions in cancelation penalties to also prevent czncellation?
 
Palma said:
why can't TTC charge hundreds of millions in cancelation penalties to also prevent czncellation?
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So make a policy with the contractor so that you have to pay if you want to cancel. Where you are not actually you, but you is the next person in charge. Nice!
 
Leo_Chan said:
So make a policy with the contractor so that you have to pay if you want to cancel. Where you are not actually you, but you is the next person in charge. Nice!
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Essentially that exists now. The contractor gets paid for lost profit on work not done. Also, it is especially evident when P3 are involved and lost profits are included.

That is why we paid over $1B for the cancelled gas plants when 1 government started it and another cancelled it. Wait, those huge penalties even apply if the same government signs and then cancels a contract.
 
BurlOak said:
Essentially that exists now. The contractor gets paid for lost profit on work not done. Also, it is especially evident when P3 are involved and lost profits are included.

That is why we paid over $1B for the cancelled gas plants when 1 government started it and another cancelled it. Wait, those huge penalties even apply if the same government signs and then cancels a contract.
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And the GTA actually needed those power plants not new windmills 250km away. Cancelling a $1B project doesn't necessary mean a lost of $1B. The consortium would be eligible to all the revenue they would have earn plus work completed but not all of the material cost. It would be a chuck of the project like 30-40% but not 100%. If the contract includes a specified cancellation cost, then that stands.
 
Steve X said:
Let's be real. Commuters going downtown will always take line 4 to line 1 in rush hour. The 25 is very unreliable even without the construction. Why spend the extra 30 minutes to work? There is no such side effects that you stated. The 25 is not split in in evenings and weekend. It operates the same as it did before right now. Majority of people would don't transfer usually head for the Shops at Don Mills, Duncan Mills business area or Thorncliffe park area. Hardly any one go all the way down to Pape Station. With the introduction of the 185 rocket, everyone would have transferred as the 25 is very long and annoying.
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Here's an idea....why don't you try riding the routes and learning what the travel patterns are instead of just assuming everything.

There are a LOT of people from the residential neighbourhoods just south of Steeles that ride the bus all the way down to Pape Station. The buses wouldn't be standing room only by York Mills if that wasn't the case.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
Does anyone know if the Eglinton Connects plan has been approved and if the work will be done as part of the LRT construction. I was looking online at the City of Toronto site and see background material but no approval. I recall that Trudeau has offered some minor funding for bike lanes along the route but not sure if the rest of it has been approved and funded by the city. I couldn't find anything on the city site with the latest status of this project.
 
smallspy said:
Here's an idea....why don't you try riding the routes and learning what the travel patterns are instead of just assuming everything.

There are a LOT of people from the residential neighbourhoods just south of Steeles that ride the bus all the way down to Pape Station. The buses wouldn't be standing room only by York Mills if that wasn't the case.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
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Are you sure there is a lot? Do you often ride the 25 from Steeles to Pape Station? It makes sense in the morning when the subway is stuffed full. What about the rest of the time especially staying on the local with all those stops oppose to taking the 185 rocket? I ride the 185 occasionally in the afternoon and never witness a mass of people heading south from Don Mills Station northwards. The 185s are never stuff full in the afternoon and half the riders from Don Mills get off by Thorncliffe Park. The bus does fill back up with people picked up in between. Also, yes there is significantly more people who ride the 25 than the 185 cause it stops at all stops especially the one south of Eglinton by the shops where the 185 skips over.

Now that the 25 is split in the day times on weekdays, it makes even more sense for people to take the 185 from Don Mills Station if they were heading down to Pape Station. There's a panel of screens telling people when the next bus arrives. I really don't see why a mass of people would continue to use the 25 local if their trip involves Pape Station unless of course the 185s are late (which does happen).
 
My understanding is that Metrolinx is rebuilding eglinton according to eglinton connects atop of the stations, and that the Feds provided a bit of funding last year for the rest. Not entirely sure where the rest of the money is going to come from though. Construction of it probably won't begin until 2020 or 2021 however, so expect to hear more in 2019 or so as crunch time comes along.
 
Steve X said:
Are you sure there is a lot? Do you often ride the 25 from Steeles to Pape Station? It makes sense in the morning when the subway is stuffed full. What about the rest of the time especially staying on the local with all those stops oppose to taking the 185 rocket? I ride the 185 occasionally in the afternoon and never witness a mass of people heading south from Don Mills Station northwards. The 185s are never stuff full in the afternoon and half the riders from Don Mills get off by Thorncliffe Park. The bus does fill back up with people picked up in between. Also, yes there is significantly more people who ride the 25 than the 185 cause it stops at all stops especially the one south of Eglinton by the shops where the 185 skips over.
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I have been riding the 25 a couple of times a month for 20+ years, and have had to ride it daily for a couple of stretches within that 20+ years. So yeah, I have a pretty good idea of where people are getting on.

And yes, there is a lot. Like 15-to-20-people-waiting-at-each-stop-for-each-bus a lot.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
Reecemartin said:
It's pretty unfortunate that the federal government who got elected on a platform of public transit haven't done more significant projects, what ever happened with the 850 million they gave the city?
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there is a list out there with where that money is going. It is going to a ton of little projects - I'll see if I can find it.

The first "phase" of the federal infrastructure program was small, shovel ready projects. Phase 2, which should be happening more now, is to announce funding for "mega projects" like large transit lines.

edit: here is the list. ctrl+f "Toronto" to find all the funding coming here.

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/08/23...reement-public-transit-infrastructure-funding

Stuff varies from bridge maintenance, money for new buses, streetcar overhauls, early works for the Finch LRT, West Toronto Railpath extension, Bikeshare expansion, additional bike parking at subway stations, geometric safety improvements for intersections, etc., etc., etc.
 
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innsertnamehere said:
there is a list out there with where that money is going. It is going to a ton of little projects - I'll see if I can find it.

The first "phase" of the federal infrastructure program was small, shovel ready projects. Phase 2, which should be happening more now, is to announce funding for "mega projects" like large transit lines.

edit: here is the list. ctrl+f "Toronto" to find all the funding coming here.

http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2016/08/23...reement-public-transit-infrastructure-funding

Stuff varies from bridge maintenance, money for new buses, streetcar overhauls, early works for the Finch LRT, West Toronto Railpath extension, Bikeshare expansion, additional bike parking at subway stations, geometric safety improvements for intersections, etc., etc., etc.
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The DRL planning & design gets the lion share at over $27M...must be for the whole Relief Long line
 
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