[Palma]

Later = never in Ontario. If you want it built, you need to build it asap. Preferably in one election cycle

I was thinking the same thing. The Liberals have 1 1/2 years to start tunnelling for the DRL and build some stations concurrently as they go along

 

[MisterF]

This has been my biggest pet peeve with the Wynne government. They have done a lot of good for the Province, but they allow the critics and opposition to rally around small issues to discredit the work the Liberals have done.

Ie. The hydro system was in shambles when the Liberals took over. We had frequent blackouts and threats of rolling brownouts during peak consumption times. Our power plants were constantly being shut down, and we suffered through many smog days. The opposition has gone after hydro prices effectively, while the Liberals remain dead silent on all of the improvements we have seen since they came into power.

Same goes for their stance on tolls/HOT/HOV lanes. The opposition has effectively taken over the discussion by calling them tax-grabs. The Province should be showing how these fees can help commuters in the long run. Explain how transformative RER will be, explain how improved transit will result in less commute time for everyone including road users, explain how this amount of investment was never seen under the previous government and that it makes sense that money will need to come from somewhere.

I do hope they eventually realize this and put together a campaign showing Ontarian's just how much better off we are today than we were under the PC's. We've come a long way since then. (Yes, there is still work that needs to be done on some issues like our healthcare system) They need to remind people of how we got to where we are today.

I agree that they haven't been good at getting the message out. Hardly anyone I know has a clue that RER is happening, or what it is, or even that all day service is imminent on several lines. People just think that transit sucks and nothing is being done about it. If they want to ensure the survival of RER beyond their time in power, they need some way of raising awareness.

 

[Avenue]

I think cancelling Finch West LRT wouldn't really cost Brown many votes. If the construction doesn't start soon, that is.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

I think cancelling Finch West LRT wouldn't really cost Brown many votes. If the construction doesn't start soon, that is.

Construction starts this year - and with AFP contracts, that esentially is the point of no-return without huge headaches. Finch West will be built.

 

[Avenue]

This has been my biggest pet peeve with the Wynne government. They have done a lot of good for the Province, but they allow the critics and opposition to rally around small issues to discredit the work the Liberals have done.

Ie. The hydro system was in shambles when the Liberals took over. We had frequent blackouts and threats of rolling brownouts during peak consumption times. Our power plants were constantly being shut down, and we suffered through many smog days. The opposition has gone after hydro prices effectively, while the Liberals remain dead silent on all of the improvements we have seen since they came into power.

Same goes for their stance on tolls/HOT/HOV lanes. The opposition has effectively taken over the discussion by calling them tax-grabs. The Province should be showing how these fees can help commuters in the long run. Explain how transformative RER will be, explain how improved transit will result in less commute time for everyone including road users, explain how this amount of investment was never seen under the previous government and that it makes sense that money will need to come from somewhere.

I do hope they eventually realize this and put together a campaign showing Ontarian's just how much better off we are today than we were under the PC's. We've come a long way since then. (Yes, there is still work that needs to be done on some issues like our healthcare system) They need to remind people of how we got to where we are today.

I agree that they haven't been good at getting the message out. Hardly anyone I know has a clue that RER is happening, or what it is, or even that all day service is imminent on several lines. People just think that transit sucks and nothing is being done about it. If they want to ensure the survival of RER beyond their time in power, they need some way of raising awareness.

Getting the message out is harder than ever because the public discourse has turned more ideological than ever, which is the global trend. And the media being the media focuses on what's the easiest to sensationalize, thus improvements like RER is drowned out. I don't really know how they could have done a better job of getting people to agree how hugely beneficial RER will be under these conditions.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I was thinking the same thing. The Liberals have 1 1/2 years to start tunnelling for the DRL and build some stations concurrently as they go along

Progress has been painfully slow these past 3.5 years. Maybe they'll sign a bunch of RER, DRL and other contracts in their last year.

 

[innsertnamehere]

DRL is far from construction ready. It is 3-4 years from shovels in the ground still. It has wide political support however, so I suspect even the conservatives will support it. Hudak made it the centre of his transit plan in 2014.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

DRL is far from construction ready. It is 3-4 years from shovels in the ground still. It has wide political support however, so I suspect even the conservatives will support it. Hudak made it the centre of his transit plan in 2014.

Final design of is typically handled by a design/build consortium, correct? I believe that's what's happening with Crosstown.

If so, the design/build contracts can be signed as soon as this year, once the TPAP is complete. The Relief Line website itself says it should enter design phase by beginning of 2018.

I'd prefer for a design/build consortium to handle construction and design, just because it means cancelling becomes very challenging. Any cancellation would result in stiff financial penalties.

 

[Palma]

Final design of is typically handled by a design/build consortium, correct? I believe that's what's happening with Crosstown.

If so, the design/build contracts can be signed as soon as this year, once the TPAP is complete. The Relief Line website itself says it should enter design phase by beginning of 2018.

I'd prefer for a design/build consortium to handle construction and design, just because it means cancelling becomes very challenging. Any cancellation would result in stiff financial penalties.

but why would there not be penalties if it were a different type of construction and would be cancelled?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

but why would there not be penalties if it were a different type of construction and would be cancelled?

The other option is for the TTC to design and build. If the project gets canceled in the design phase, the TTC obviously won't charge hundred of millions in cancelation penalties. A design and build consortium would. So having the TTC do it makes it more prone to cancelation.

 

[salsa]

The TTC has made changes to the Don Mills bus due to construction at Eglinton.

• The 25 DON MILLS route will be temporarily split at Don Mills Station between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m., Monday to Friday. This will isolate the northern section of the route from the construction delays. Customers will be required to transfer at Don Mills Station for through travel.
• Schedules will include additional travel time through the Don Mills and Eglinton intersection to maintain service reliability.
• Local service will operate more frequently during most periods of the week to reduce crowding.
• New express stops will be provided northbound at Godstone Road and southbound at 2980 Don Mills Road on the 185 DON MILLS ROCKET.

 

[TransitBart]

The TTC has made changes to the Don Mills bus due to construction at Eglinton.

• The 25 DON MILLS route will be temporarily split at Don Mills Station between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m., Monday to Friday. This will isolate the northern section of the route from the construction delays. Customers will be required to transfer at Don Mills Station for through travel.
• Schedules will include additional travel time through the Don Mills and Eglinton intersection to maintain service reliability.
• Local service will operate more frequently during most periods of the week to reduce crowding.
• New express stops will be provided northbound at Godstone Road and southbound at 2980 Don Mills Road on the 185 DON MILLS ROCKET.

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Changes like this have an interesting side-effect since they will be in effect for four years +. The Don Mills bus will never be the same again. Some riders who might have gone to Pape - now - will say to hell with it and go west on Line 4 and south on the subway. In four years, some will go to Science Center and make the same decision and go to Eglinton. At that point if DRL long constrcution is ongoing, then the next jump will be get on DRL and forego Don Mills bus altogether. The patterns, they are a changin'.

I doubt that the route will ever be re-unified again. Nor should it need to be.

 

[Steve X]

Changes like this have an interesting side-effect since they will be in effect for four years +. The Don Mills bus will never be the same again. Some riders who might have gone to Pape - now - will say to hell with it and go west on Line 4 and south on the subway. In four years, some will go to Science Center and make the same decision and go to Eglinton. At that point if DRL long constrcution is ongoing, then the next jump will be get on DRL and forego Don Mills bus altogether. The patterns, they are a changin'.

I doubt that the route will ever be re-unified again. Nor should it need to be.

Let's be real. Commuters going downtown will always take line 4 to line 1 in rush hour. The 25 is very unreliable even without the construction. Why spend the extra 30 minutes to work? There is no such side effects that you stated. The 25 is not split in in evenings and weekend. It operates the same as it did before right now. Majority of people would don't transfer usually head for the Shops at Don Mills, Duncan Mills business area or Thorncliffe park area. Hardly any one go all the way down to Pape Station. With the introduction of the 185 rocket, everyone would have transferred as the 25 is very long and annoying.

 

[Hopkins123]

Changes like this have an interesting side-effect since they will be in effect for four years +. The Don Mills bus will never be the same again. Some riders who might have gone to Pape - now - will say to hell with it and go west on Line 4 and south on the subway. In four years, some will go to Science Center and make the same decision and go to Eglinton. At that point if DRL long constrcution is ongoing, then the next jump will be get on DRL and forego Don Mills bus altogether. The patterns, they are a changin'.

I doubt that the route will ever be re-unified again. Nor should it need to be.

25 Don Mills won't even exist south of Eglinton if the next 25 years go accordingly well as far as a DRL is concerned.

The 25 will only be needed to fill the gap between stops on the DRL between Eglinton and Sheppard and serve the complete area from Sheppard to Steeles. Progress.

 

[Steve X]

25 Don Mills won't even exist south of Eglinton if the next 25 years go accordingly well as far as a DRL is concerned.

The 25 will only be needed to fill the gap between stops on the DRL between Eglinton and Sheppard and serve the complete area from Sheppard to Steeles. Progress.

Let's not forget there will always be riders that need local stops. Thorncliffe Park is home to many low income family unlike Sheppard and Yonge lines. The 25 isn't going to become low frequency service unlike the 85 parallel bus service with line 4.