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sixrings said:
They dont care about transit because they never intend on using it.
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At last weekend's public meeting, somebody tried to make this point by asking for a show of hands "How many of you intend to use this if they build it?"

An impressive number of hands shot up. It kinda shut him down on that point.

The more balanced way of saying it might be - these folks have no intention of giving up their cars, so road quality matters to them (most). It's also true that they have very poor understanding of what is being proposed. But I wonder why that's news to City staff. It wouldn't hurt for their slide deck to have one or two slides about why LRT might be different than people think.

- Paul
 
sixrings said:
The same problem is found between Eglinton West and Laird where most people at the meetings complained simply because they did not want transit or were so old that by the time transit came in their area it wouldnt matter to their property values because they would be dead.
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You see both sides of this coin. An equal number of old ladies attending these kind of meetings then complain about lack of frequency of their bus going through Forest Hill or South Leaside.
 
sixrings said:
They dont care about transit because they never intend on using it.
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Just from personal experience -I commuted to and from this area for a daily basis for many years- many people around this area really don't use transit and rely on their cars. They would primarily care about how this would affect their commute, and how this would change the aesthetic feel of the neighborhood. The level of NIMBYism here would probably make the St.Clair ROW debate seem like a joke.

The funny thing is; with how most of the intersections along this stretch of Eglinton are designed, things wouldnt be changed as dramatically as these people think. The one thing I will say with the stop spacing so far is that there are 2 stops that really dont need to be built regardless of the spacing that is chosen: Wincott, and Llyod Manor.
 
crs1026 said:
At last weekend's public meeting, somebody tried to make this point by asking for a show of hands "How many of you intend to use this if they build it?"

An impressive number of hands shot up. It kinda shut him down on that point.

The more balanced way of saying it might be - these folks have no intention of giving up their cars, so road quality matters to them (most). It's also true that they have very poor understanding of what is being proposed. But I wonder why that's news to City staff. It wouldn't hurt for their slide deck to have one or two slides about why LRT might be different than people think.

- Paul
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Saying you are going to use transit and using transit are different things. We all know people who bought houses in rural 905 who claim to be open to taking transit as well (if its built to their door step)
 
salsa said:
I'm pretty sure sixrings is talking about the Eglinton corridor, not Dixon Rd.
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Dixon is the east-west north of Eglinton. It's not that far of a walk.

sixrings said:
Windsor road is north of dixon. We are talking about houses on Eglinton here. No need to be a literalist.
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It's not that far north. It might be a bit more middle class further south, but it's not that different. And if you wan to be literalist - there are no houses on Eglinton.
 
nfitz said:
Dixon is the east-west north of Eglinton. It's not that far of a walk.

It's not that far north. It might be a bit more middle class further south, but it's not that different. And if you wan to be literalist - there are no houses on Eglinton.
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It's 2 km north of Eglinton. Not exactly a short walk, nor is it relevant to this discussion.
 
The area on the south side of Eglinton is undoubtedly very prosperous and very car-centric. The area to the north is much more "average", although real estate is certainly pricey throughout so people up there have means. On both sides, it's the kind of low density suburb that is hard to service by transit. You are never going to find people in that kind of community giving up their autos, because the layout of the whole thing obstructs both transit and active commuting. That's just how it is in the burbs.

At the end of the day, most of the traffic on Eglinton is passing through, and not destined locally. If we mess up traffic flows, it's people from other parts of the city who will suffer - not the locals. When you get past the Nimbyism, you still have a very major street that needs the best possible solutions to keep cars and LRT from getting in each others' way.

- Paul
 
Eglinton has many of the busiest bus routes in the city that overlap on the same road, both east and west, so clearly many are inclined to take transit. Some areas along the route are higher some lower income.

People who live midtown with cars often take transit for work downtown and cars for other trips.
 
Are there any preliminary plans showing how a surface LRT would fit on Eglinton? Would some sections be reduced to one lane in each direction? If so, that would be a traffic nightmare. Eglinton needs to remain a strong arterial road as an alternative to the clogged 401.

I'd also be curious to see the usage forecast for an LRT as Eglinton is pretty sparse through Etobicoke. If someone is going downtown it would probably be faster to continue south on the buses towards the Bloor Subway rather than hop on Crosstown to the Spadina line.

In terms of getting to the airport, just relocate the Lawrence west express bus to Eglinton west @ Mt Dennis.
 
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darth_freeman said:
Are there any preliminary plans showing how a surface LRT would fit on Eglinton? Would some sections be reduced to one lane in each direction? If so, that would be a traffic nightmare. Eglinton needs to remain a strong arterial road as an alternative to the clogged 401.

I'd also be curious to see the usage forecast for an LRT as Eglinton is pretty sparse through Etobicoke. If someone is going downtown it would probably be faster to continue south on the buses towards the Bloor Subway rather than hop on Crosstown to the Spadina line.

In terms of getting to the airport, just relocate the Lawrence west express bus to Eglinton west @ Mt Dennis.
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Remember that you'll pretty much have fare integration by the time this opens, you could transfer onto UP/GO Georgetown or GO Barrie to go downtown instead of going all the way to Cedarvale.
 
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