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WislaHD said:
So the daily ridership projections for the ECLRT are quite interesting, from what I am calculating.

Metrolinx says that the ECLRT will have 117 million annual boardings, or roughly 320,000 daily boardings. Which is quite phenomenal for a route with just 5,000 pphd. The ECLRT has immense off-peak usage.

But it gets more interesting. The 117 million annual figure above is for just the Mt. Dennis to Kennedy portion. According to the SmartTrack Western Corridor Feasibility study that came out last week, Crosstown West's daily ridership is 105,331. Scarborough-Malvern LRT's ridership was projected between 4,500-5,000 pphd, so one would expect the Crosstown East to be of similar levels.

It looks like the Eglinton Crosstown from Pearson to UTSC has a huge daily ridership, comparable to the Bloor-Danforth's 535,600 daily riders. This is despite the fact that the Eglinton Crosstown has a tiny peak hour ridership in comparison.
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Interesting observation. This is not impossible. ECLRT will be longer that BD subway, have more stops, and will have high turnover which leads to a high daily / yearly ridership but a modest peak-point load.
 
Hopkins123 said:
For your consideration forum, I present to you a fully realized Crosstown LRT line:



Wouldn't it be great if by 2025 all of this were built?
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It would be great but it most likely won't happen.... Too much political interference and a very mushy spine for our govt leaders. I guarantee that should Tory not get reelected the next mayor will have some sort of spin off of the current transit plan and claim that his is going to save the city
 
cplchanb said:
It would be great but it most likely won't happen.
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Agreed, not in a short timeframe at least.

Too much political interference and a very mushy spine for our govt leaders.
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If anything, the voters have a mushy spine and refuse to stick to a plan. They happily dump the current guy and jump to someone with yet more new ideas that takes 5 years to go from conception to construction, but they only have a 4 year term.
 
rbt said:
If anything, the voters have a mushy spine and refuse to stick to a plan. They happily dump the current guy and jump to someone with yet more new ideas that takes 5 years to go from conception to construction, but they only have a 4 year term.
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In the history of amalgamated Toronto, there is no mayor who has ever lost a re-election bid - except Rob Ford.

I don't think this theory applies to Rob Ford, given he'd accomplished nothing during his 4 years, and was unlikely to accomplish anything.
 
nfitz said:
In the history of amalgamated Toronto, there is no mayor who has ever lost a re-election bid - except Rob Ford.
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True, but as a populace we've not exactly voted for continuation of a plan. Lastman, Miller, and Rob all recommended equally qualified (to themselves) people who would do that.
 
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So where is the western extension going to terminate? At the airport or the corporate centre?
 
And if it's at the airport, where? Viscount might be a logical choice, because then you could take the LINK people mover from there to any terminal you need.
 
nfitz said:
In the history of amalgamated Toronto, there is no mayor who has ever lost a re-election bid - except Rob Ford.

I don't think this theory applies to Rob Ford, given he'd accomplished nothing during his 4 years, and was unlikely to accomplish anything.
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There is a limited number.

Mel Lastman - Nooo-body can beat him!
David Miller - I need a fleet of electric cars
Rob Ford - 'nuff said
John Tory - tbd

And Rob Ford did not run in 2014...he did not lose but could not run due to his well publicized fight with cancer.

Both Lastman and Ford did not run due to health issues (both their popularity was waning but would have put up a fight to retain the Mayor's position if they could have managed a campaign)
Miller did not run because 80% of us wanted him gone. Putting up with a 30+ day strike and then caving into the workers demands was a big reason.

If you go back to the Metro days....
Barbara Hall lost the first Mayor to Lastman (opposed amalgamation)
June Rowlands lost to Hall (the Barenaked Ladies comment mayor)
Art Eggleton - retired (opposed the Gay pride parade)
John Sewell lost to Eggleton (opposed any business...fought tooth and nail against any development against the downtown core)
Crombie quit early (you can't build greater than 4 stories)

So interesting if you look back that far....
Lefty
Lefty
Righty
Centre
Righty
Lefty
Righty
Lefty
Righty
whichever way the polls go/Righty
 
cplchanb said:
It would be great but it most likely won't happen.... Too much political interference and a very mushy spine for our govt leaders. I guarantee that should Tory not get reelected the next mayor will have some sort of spin off of the current transit plan and claim that his is going to save the city
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While I tend to agree, lets not forget that this plan that Tory is floating here is essentially the plan for Eglinton/Malvern that David Miller first started in 2006.

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So the clock for this project started ticking a long time ago. This Eglinton East/West expansion is not some idea from Tory, he is essentially resurrecting an old plan.

So while political interference does happen, and Rob Ford derailed this from happening, we are essentially back "on track" (I believe that train metaphors are mandatory when discussing this, yes)

But my point is, some politician came up with an idea a decade ago, and some new politician is now trying to carry it out, or at least part of it.

Maybe the next mayor will also be of this nature. Or at least the one after them.
 
muller877 said:
And Rob Ford did not run in 2014...he did not lose but could not run due to his well publicized fight with cancer.
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Technically I suppose you are right. However, Rob Ford DID run in 2014. He was in the campaign for over 8 month, dropping out 7 weeks before the election. During that time he failed to be in the lead, during 45 consecutive opinion polls (though bizarrely, he was in the lead for the 46 poll in January after he'd entered the campaign, but no one else had yet). Looking at the two Forum polls days before and after he dropped out, Doug Ford gained on what Rob Ford was polling (though every single poll showed Tory safely leading).

It's true I suppose that no mayor has ever lost a re-election bid for the megacity. Though Rob Ford quit knowing full well he was out of the running; the cancer was a convenient excuse, as it failed to stop him running in Ward 2, where he knew he could win.
 
nfitz said:
Technically I suppose you are right. However, Rob Ford DID run in 2014. He was in the campaign for over 8 month, dropping out 7 weeks before the election. During that time he failed to be in the lead, during 45 consecutive opinion polls (though bizarrely, he was in the lead for the 46 poll in January after he'd entered the campaign, but no one else had yet). Looking at the two Forum polls days before and after he dropped out, Doug Ford gained on what Rob Ford was polling (though every single poll showed Tory safely leading).

It's true I suppose that no mayor has ever lost a re-election bid for the megacity. Though Rob Ford quit knowing full well he was out of the running; the cancer was a convenient excuse, as it failed to stop him running in Ward 2, where he knew he could win.
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I agree...but the same is said of David Miller....without the "convenient excuse" of chemo. For those who have had family or friends (or even themselves) experience chemo and the fight against cancer I would never call it a "convenient excuse".

David Miller quit only because he had no chance of winner and had lined up some sweet gigs. Ford quit to fight a killer disease. Saying otherwise is rewriting history and belittling that fight.
 
nfitz said:
nothing during his 4 years, and was unlikely to accomplish anything.
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I don't really think Tory has accomplished anything either. All hes's done is take no stand on Uber, push his "smart track" plan. Which to every transit agency in the city makes no sense but I guess since Uof T did a study and said it will work I guess we all needed to bend down to Tory and parise him as the saviopur of Transit in Toronto
 
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