TOareaFan
Superstar
And, what if only tens of those lived east of the airport? Now you are getting some percentage of tens of people. Last I heard/read, the vast majority of airport workers live in or around Peel region.
|
|
|
And, what if only tens of those lived east of the airport? Now you are getting some percentage of tens of people. Last I heard/read, the vast majority of airport workers live in or around Peel region.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
We don't decide where to build transit by counting apartment buildings. The TTC did their evaluations and the results were well below the threshold for well light rail would be justified.
Connecting to Renforth Gateway is a reasonable regional transportation goal, which is why I support extending the Mississauga Transitway to Mt Dennis.
Steve X
Senior Member
Within 1 km radius of the LRT, it might be actually faster to take the bus north to Finch, across on the Finch LRT and back down than to Eglinton. The 45E Kipling Express and 37 Islington get really packed in AM rush hour.
They should build phase 2 to Martin Grove or Renforth and then reconsider the airport link. Metrolinx might be happier this way.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Yeah. The other issue with servicing the airport with rail is that the airport is a large geographical area, making it incredibly challenging to properly service that employment area with rail. The only economical way to connect to all those jobs is with busses.
BurlOak
Senior Member
A huge percentage of the jobs are at Pearson itself. If the demand was there, companies would hire shuttle buses to bring their workers to the more distant business parks, or Mississauga Transit would take it up if there is enough demand.
salsa
Senior Member
That might be a viable option, only problem is Smart Track won the election, not Smart Bus. However lets wait and see what the new LRT ridership numbers will look like when the Smart Track studies come out.
sixrings
Senior Member
I think anyone south of Finch is going to head towards the Eglinton or Bloor line for a couple reasons. One people are generally going to go the direction they are heading versus go backtrack even if it is indeed faster. But I will question if it would be faster to backtrack to Finch LRT because the stop spacing on Finch is considerably closer than what is on Eglinton, especially when we think of the underground Eglinton section.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
Then why are we even building the Finch West LRT which will carry only 2800 pph by 2031? Or the TYSSE which will carry only 2700 pph? For the sake of connectivity we group in less dense areas along a corridor with the more dense ones. Old Mill and Royal York Stns are sparsely used, for instance, but they're the intermediaries to the busier Islington and Kipling stops. It's a necessary evil to route rapid transit through that area to connect to nodes west of there. Likewise we route through Richview in order to get to Airport Corporate Ctr and Pearson. That's how transit's always worked in this city.
And building a grade-separated bus transitway along Eglinton West runs the same expense as building a grade-separated LRT minus the trackbed. Surely the one seat ride from the airport to Scarborough is more critical than a one-seat ride from Mt Dennis to Scarborough.
sixrings
Senior Member
The thing is that Miller and the people in charge then thought the line did make sense. Only because the liberal government was trying to stagger their spending combined with an elected Rob Ford who had "Subways subways subways" mantra did this line get cut at coincidentally the same place where Rob Ford comes from.
salsa
Senior Member
I don't think that's true. Eglinton West got stopped when the McGuinty government cut $4B out of the Transit City budget in 2010, while Miller was mayor. The cuts also caused the Finch LRT to stop at Keele, the Malvern SRT station to be cancelled, and has posponed construction timelines long enough for Ford to get elected and cancel Transit City.
Adjei
Senior Member
Exactly this extension was scheduled to be built even with the so called low ridership until funding got cut back. Just because Toronto might need to cough up some money in it getting built instead of just the province, doesn't mean it shouldn't be built. The line will get built because Tory needs to save face.
sixrings
Senior Member
Ok salsa I should say it got completely cut under Ford which I am sure the Liberal government were at least a bit afraid of since they were willing to sit with him and redo their plans. But under Miller the Eglinton line to the airport was championed. It was called the crosstown for a reason.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Will the Crosstown LRT be running at the same hours as the subway? Replaced by buses during the morning shift (1AM to 6 AM). Or will it run 24 hours, like the streetcars? If 24 hours, then I can see the airport workers using it in the predawn hours, replacing the 332 Eglinton West Blue Night bus.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Moor's article did say they wanted to bring to the LRT to the airport:
Although details have not been finalized, Metrolinx staff are expected to recommend adding only four or five new stations along the Kitchener and Stouffville corridors, and an LRT – instead of heavy rail – along Eglinton Avenue West to Pearson airport.
There's quite a lot of ambiguity regarding what exactly "to Pearson airport" means. Does it mean connecting to a terminal, or just going somewhere in the vacinity of the airport (Renforth)? That difference could add hundreds of millions to the price.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
There's also this part from the article:
The so-called western spur of his proposal has long been the most problematic. The Globe reported exclusively in November that, according to still-unreleased parts of a report for the city, running SmartTrack as a heavy-rail option to the airport area would cost $3-billion to $5-billion. An LRT serving the same area would cost $1.3-billion.
So the LRT would cost $1.3 Billion. Looks like they're taking it into the airport.