TheTigerMaster
Superstar
And what about people who think LRT or subway would've been fine on Eglinton?
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And what about people who think LRT or subway would've been fine on Eglinton?
The world isn't binary
Hopkins123
Senior Member
A subway across Eglinton would have been better in the long term but likely would have remained a "stubway" like on Sheppard due to the prohibitively higher capital costs and would be less likely of having as many stations en route making it of less local benefit.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
The Eglinton subway would probably have been extended to at least Don Mills by 2020.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Can the Eglinton LRT be upgraded to a subway in the future?
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
The LRT would be l-o-n-g-e-r. When the "Eglinton Subway" was first "started", it was to be built from Eglinton West to Black Creek (York Centre Station). The current underground LRT is m-u-c-h longer.
Don't forget there will be a Finch West LRT and a Sheppard East LRT... allegedly.
MetroMan
Senior Member
Exactly. I prefer a rapidly expanding extensive network of LRTs than decades in waiting subway extensions. The city will work well with a subway spine complemented by a network of LRTs bisecting it and small buses to reach into neighbourhoods that can't yet justify either.
ehlow
Senior Member
Not to mention we're talking about underground LRT and underground subway.
The original Eglinton subway would've been 1/3 the length of the currently built tunnel and not cover dense areas like Yonge-Eglinton. So we're getting a tunnel triple the length in one go now. Huge increase in the amount of underground transit.
howl
Active Member
No. The station platforms are too short. They are only about a third the length of a subway platform.
It's likely that if the Eglinton West Subway had of been built back in the 1990's it would connect to the airport by now; and by this time we would be building, or planning to build, an extension east towards Kennedy.
crs1026
Superstar
This is a bit too much coulda, woulda, shoulda for me.
The big thing to imagine is what would have happened to development along Eglinton, had there been a subway by now. And what that might have pulled away from the development elsewhere. Especially since it would have been done under an earlir planning regime. I can't say what would have been different, but I suspect we might hate it already. Let's hope we get it right after Crosstown.
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- Paul
The big thing to imagine is what would have happened to development along Eglinton, had there been a subway by now. And what that might have pulled away from the development elsewhere. Especially since it would have been done under an earlir planning regime. I can't say what would have been different, but I suspect we might hate it already. Let's hope we get it right after Crosstown.
In the Harris era, web graphics were a lot more primitive. There would not have been a cool project tracker giving weekly updates. That's half the fun these days
- Paul
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
No email either. The people who apparently won't stop bothering the person who updates the TBM tracker will have to go to their office daily, rather than sending off dozens of emails demanding updates.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Your first point isn't true. The Eglinton Line platforms can accommodate trains of at least 93 metres, compared to 138 metres on Yonge Line. It's closer to two thirds the length. It's also equal to the length of the platforms on the Sheppard Line
BMO
Senior Member
Anything is possible, just depends on how much money you have. I don't think it would happen.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
On that note, I find it very curious that the Crosstown, with its higher peak point ridership and narrower cars, will have trains that are the same length trains as the Sheppard Line.
The last trip I took on the line was eastbound weekday at about 7:00 PM and almost all the seats were taken. Does anyone here know what rush hour crowding is like on the Sheppard Line?
The last trip I took on the line was eastbound weekday at about 7:00 PM and almost all the seats were taken. Does anyone here know what rush hour crowding is like on the Sheppard Line?
rbt
Senior Member
It's a little tight in the middle cars but the end cars nearly always have plenty of room.Nobody gets left on the platform for lack of space.
Of course this loading is quite purposeful; the line is budgeted rather than a technical limitation.
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nfitz
Superstar
The platform length is 90 metres. A 4-car Toronto subway train is 92 metres long.
Yes, it could be upgraded to subway, though you'd have to build platforms in each station (among other details). Most importantly, the tunnel diameter is slightly larger than that on on the Vaughan extension.