[innsertnamehere]

I don't think it will last too long. I feel the second short turn will be moved up to Steeles west fairly soon after opening (probably for when the Finch LRT opens), but I can't see every other train making it to Vaughan any time soon. Maybe in a couple decades. The first short turn is moving up to Glencairn from St. Clair west in 2015 already, I can't see anything other than continual creep up the line over the next few years as the TTC continues to experience 3% annual growth.

 

[ehlow]

howl makes a good point though. Isn't it too early to know what service levels will be on Eglinton?

 

[smallspy]

only 1/2 of trains will go past Laird. Therefor, the frequency on the portion of the LRT east of Laird will be at 1/2 the frequency west of it.

That is going to be true for rush hours. For off-peak, it looks like the frequencies will be low enough that trains will travel the whole distance of the line.

As for Spadina, that is peak. Only 1 out of every 4 trains departing from Union will make it to Vaughan. At 135 second frequencies on the busiest portion of the line, that means every 9 minutes for the extension. It will start to drop significantly once the new ATC is implemented as every second taken off of the frequency on yonge is 4 seconds taken off of the frequency of Spadina, but still. Even at 105 seconds the frequency will be 7 minutes.

That is patently false. In the morning rush hour, each second train will turn back at Glencairn (and eventually Wilson). In the afternoon, they are still split on whether every second train will be turned back at Finch West or go all the way to Vaughan.

At all other times all trains will travel the whole length of the line, the same as today.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[Uncle Teddy]

Probably too early considering the route won't be ready for a few more years.

 

[innsertnamehere]

That is going to be true for rush hours. For off-peak, it looks like the frequencies will be low enough that trains will travel the whole distance of the line.



That is patently false. In the morning rush hour, each second train will turn back at Glencairn (and eventually Wilson). In the afternoon, they are still split on whether every second train will be turned back at Finch West or go all the way to Vaughan.

At all other times all trains will travel the whole length of the line, the same as today.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

I'm sorry, my understanding was that they would be instituting another short turn at Downsview? (soon to be Sheppard West)

what do you mean by finch west turnback in the afternoon? as in all trains will run to finch west in the afternoon but in the morning they will only run to Glencairn? Or 1/2 will turn back at Glencairn and another 1/2 at Finch West?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Joe Mihevc told me that the Crosstown has a 6-minute frequency.

The trains could start with 2 LFLRV cars. It could be expanded to 3 or 4 cars as the demand arises.

With the 1 Yonge Subway & 2 Bloor-Danforth subway, they settled with 4 car trains (or 6 red Gloucester trains) in the evenings and weekends. Now they use 6 car trains at all times, except on the 4 Sheppard which uses 4 cars at all times.

Note to remember, the Flexity Freedom cars are longer than the current subway cars. 5 LFLRVs could fit in the length of a subway platform.

 

[M II A II R II K]

The stop spacing for the BD line works great as it eliminates any need for a supplementary bus service and is dense enough to provide short range rapid transit to move mass volumes of people along it.

It's not so good for commuter long distance travel because it forces people to sit through too many stations taking up more space on the trains when those people could be on another express line bypassing the BD line instead, and getting to where they're going faster.

Eglinton could have a bus service in the west from the airport to Eglinton West station, and in the east from Kennedy to Eglinton GO station, but nothing in between.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The trains could start with 2 LFLRV cars. It could be expanded to 3 or 4 cars as the demand arises.

With the 1 Yonge Subway & 2 Bloor-Danforth subway, they settled with 4 car trains (or 6 red Gloucester trains) in the evenings and weekends. Now they use 6 car trains at all times, except on the 4 Sheppard which uses 4 cars at all times.

Note to remember, the Flexity Freedom cars are longer than the current subway cars. 5 LFLRVs could fit in the length of a subway platform.

Just a note, but the ECLRT is being built for 3 car trains. 4 cars won't be possible on the line, just how 8 car trains are not possible on the YUS.

as for Bloor, the DRL should fix the issue of commuters sitting through dozens of local stations. The ECLRT will rarely be used for more than a few stops to get to the YUS line so I don't see too much of an issue with the local stop spacing. Not too many people will be taking the line end to end.

 

[nfitz]

Just a note, but the ECLRT is being built for 3 car trains. 4 cars won't be possible on the line, just how 8 car trains are not possible on the YUS.

We should also remember that a 3-car Eglinton train is about the same length as a 4-car Sheppard Train, as the LRT cars are 30 metres long compared to 23 metres on the other subway lines.

(which would be about the same as a 7-car SRT train ... SRT trains are only 4 cars - the entire train is only about 52 metres long.

 

[ehlow]

We should also remember that a 3-car Eglinton train is about the same length as a 4-car Sheppard Train, as the LRT cars are 30 metres long compared to 23 metres on the other subway lines.

(which would be about the same as a 7-car SRT train ... SRT trains are only 4 cars - the entire train is only about 52 metres long.

From what I understand Eglinton will start with 2-car trains with the option of going to 3-cars.

What about Sheppard, Finch, and Scarborough (if it were built as an LRT)?

 

[innsertnamehere]

by the sounds of 6 minute frequencies they are starting with 3 car trains.

Sheppard and finch are designed to be 2 car trains but in the sake of frequency they may start with 1 car. they should be fairly simply to expand to 3 car if ever needed, especially Sheppard. (well, depending on how they design the interchange with the scarborough subway)

Scarborough was going to be 3 cars. (and it would be needed off of day one)

 

[CityPlaceN1]

Any idea when work at Yonge will begin or are they waiting for the tunnels to reach there first?

 

[smallspy]

I'm sorry, my understanding was that they would be instituting another short turn at Downsview? (soon to be Sheppard West)

The TTC will be building a pocket track just north of Wilson Station. This is where the trains will turn back at, but that's also quite a few years down the road. The current morning short turn was supposed to be extended to Glencairn in 2012, but that was dependant on having more trains available - I don't know what the hold up is currently.

what do you mean by finch west turnback in the afternoon? as in all trains will run to finch west in the afternoon but in the morning they will only run to Glencairn? Or 1/2 will turn back at Glencairn and another 1/2 at Finch West?

As part of the Spadina Extension, a pocket track is getting built north of Finch West Station. This will allow them to short turn half of the trains in the rush hour.

One idea that is going around is that half of the trains in the afternoon rush hour will be turned at this pocket track, rather than going all the way to the end of the line.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

 

[innsertnamehere]

I know the Glencairn move is happening next year.

I'm still confused. So will the short turn move from Glencairn to Wilson, then a few years later up to Finch west? Or will there be turn backs at both Wilson and Finch West?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

The TTC will be building a pocket track just north of Wilson Station. This is where the trains will turn back at, but that's also quite a few years down the road. The current morning short turn was supposed to be extended to Glencairn in 2012, but that was dependant on having more trains available - I don't know what the hold up is currently.



As part of the Spadina Extension, a pocket track is getting built north of Finch West Station. This will allow them to short turn half of the trains in the rush hour.

One idea that is going around is that half of the trains in the afternoon rush hour will be turned at this pocket track, rather than going all the way to the end of the line.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.

The holdup is the TTC budget. Remember the 10% cuts when Rob Ford came into office? There were service cuts made on the TTC. To "save" "gravy", there was a delay in moving the short turn to Glencairn, even though they had the trains. Moving the short turn would have meant more drivers and conductors on the line, and we can't have that if we want to save money.