[Monarch Butterfly]

WK what do you think about the Eglinton to Airport extension, I hate to bring it up but you seemed informed. They should have done the whole line.

The Eglinton Crosstown LRT west of Mt. Dennis would be first an alternative route to the Bloor-Danforth Subway. It would cost about the same and can be built in the same timeframe as the Finch West LRT, except for the bridges over the 401 and tunnelling/bridges for the airport terminal.

It was always phase two for the Crosstown. It would be constructed similar to the phase one's eastern part between Don Mills and Kennedy. If they could actually go ahead and build phase two after phase one, with planning started after plans for phase one are completed, I would fine with that timeframe.

BTW. You maybe lucky and be able to still download some of the PDF reports on the crosstown at this link.

The complete Environmental Project Report – March 2010 (Updated August 20, 2010) is at this website. It's split up into several PDF's and very large.

The details for each station are, of course, making changes as it goes along. There will be even more changes when the actual construction happens.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

The Eglinton Crosstown LRT west of Mt. Dennis would be first an alternative route to the Bloor-Danforth Subway. It would cost about the same and can be built in the same timeframe as the Finch West LRT, except for the bridges over the 401 and tunnelling/bridges for the airport terminal.

It was always phase two for the Crosstown. It would be constructed similar to the phase one's eastern part between Don Mills and Kennedy. If they could actually go ahead and build phase two after phase one, with planning started after plans for phase one are completed, I would fine with that timeframe.

BTW. You maybe lucky and be able to still download some of the PDF reports on the crosstown at this link.

The complete Environmental Project Report – March 2010 (Updated August 20, 2010) is at this website. It's split up into several PDF's and very large.

The details for each station are, of course, making changes as it goes along. There will be even more changes when the actual construction happens.

Thanks. I hope they complete the line I like the pics.

 

[Johnny Au]

Regarding the combining of routes 63 and 109, the former 109 route would just be a branch of route 63, with the majority of buses on the trunk route 63 go to Eglinton West station.

 

[Hipster Duck]

I still don't see why the 109 should be combined with the 63. Presumably the purpose of taking the 109 is for people who live off Marlee to get a one-transfer ride to the Y-U-S, so why not keep it as it is where it terminates at Eglinton West station? I don't know how many people who use the 109 transfer onto a southbound 63 but I would wager that it's smaller than the number of people who transfer from the 109 onto a southbound Spadina line train. Also, I'm always skeptical about the supposed savings of combining two short routes into one long route. I often find that long routes tend to have problems maintaining a schedule at the outer ends. I mean, just look at how horrific the 501 is past Humber Loop for evidence of this, and Steve Munro was on the money when he suggested splitting the 501 in two.

Granted, a combined 63+109 would not be nearly as long or have the same kind of route problems as the 501, but why mess with something that already works?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

The presentation, in PDF form, of the Laird Drive to Don Valley Parkway: Environmental Project Report Addendum Presentation shown January 31, 2013, can be downloaded at this link.

Part of the presentation includes:

Updated Project Description based on the December 2012 PIC

• Ferrand Stop can be accommodated;
• Preferred Launch site continues to be at Don Mills;
• Tunnel Extension from Laird Station to Don Mills; and
• Leslie Stop remains eliminated.

 

[k10ery]

How odd. Last month Ferrand was out "due to geometric constraints," now it is back in exactly the same place as before.

Could it be that Metrolinx just wants to get rid of it because of speed and thought they would try to slip it through with the Don Mills launch plan?

 

[sixrings]

How odd. Last month Ferrand was out "due to geometric constraints," now it is back in exactly the same place as before.

Could it be that Metrolinx just wants to get rid of it because of speed and thought they would try to slip it through with the Don Mills launch plan?

Im in new york and every time im here I can't help but think that the ttc stop spacing often is really close comparatively speaking. I can't understand how this station got put back in when it is a maximum 4 minute walk away. You will be able to see ferrand station from Don mills station. Other then the core I think that is ridiculously close. I also think it's interesting how we are putting a number of stations on this line which may not be necessarily but when we talk about the drl we include the least amount of stations possible. Just because it's above ground and we can add a station for next to nothing doesn't mean every tom Dick and harry needs a stop at their doorstep. Similarly just because underground stations cost a ton doesn't mean we should only build stations if we absolutely must.

 

[ShonTron]

I'm not that worried about Ferrand as long as it doesn't mess up the underground plans for Don Mills. With all-door boarding, it will have minimal impact on the speed. I also understand that there will be a turn-back at Don Mills for scheduled short turns of trains through the underground section which will have more service than the surface section.

I am glad Leslie is permanently being eliminated, though. At least Ferrand can get some walk-up traffic.

 

[Jaye101]

Regarding the combining of routes 63 and 109, the former 109 route would just be a branch of route 63, with the majority of buses on the trunk route 63 go to Eglinton West station.

Which wouldn't really make any sense since you could easily take the subway from Eglinton W to Lawrence W to catch the 63 anyways. I'm not sure if most people realize that almost 50% of 63's during rush don't even get north of St Clair.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Which wouldn't really make any sense since you could easily take the subway from Eglinton W to Lawrence W to catch the 63 anyways. I'm not sure if most people realize that almost 50% of 63's during rush don't even get north of St Clair.

Don't forget that 109 Ranee continues north of Lawrence West station to Ranee, Neptune, and Hotspur.

 

[CapitalSeven]

I can't understand how this station got put back in when it is a maximum 4 minute walk away. You will be able to see ferrand station from Don mills station.

Well, it's probably a little closer to 6 minutes, since the access to Ferrand will be at the intersection with the off ramps. Unless you jay-walk across Eglinton to get to the west end of the platform. Which no one would do.

You're making the assumption that everyone who wants to use the Eglinton line is standing on Eglinton when this thought occurs to them. But they aren't. There are a number of large residential and commercial buildings north and south of the stop that will be withing 5-6 minutes' walk of Ferrand, therefore 11-12 minutes from the Don Mills station. This would be why local residents spoke up for restoring the stop.

 

[BurlOak]

[I can't understand how this station got put back in when it is a maximum 4 minute walk away. You will be able to see ferrand station from Don mills station. ]

Well, it's probably a little closer to 6 minutes, since the access to Ferrand will be at the intersection with the off ramps. Unless you jay-walk across Eglinton to get to the west end of the platform. Which no one would do.

You're making the assumption that everyone who wants to use the Eglinton line is standing on Eglinton when this thought occurs to them. But they aren't. There are a number of large residential and commercial buildings north and south of the stop that will be withing 5-6 minutes' walk of Ferrand, therefore 11-12 minutes from the Don Mills station. This would be why local residents spoke up for restoring the stop.

Unless those buildings are located within the DVP ramp loops, the residents will not have to walk all the way to the DVP off ramps. Thus, the 6 minute walk is not accurate. Thus they would still be 10 minutes walk or less from the Don Mills station.

How odd. Last month Ferrand was out "due to geometric constraints," now it is back in exactly the same place as before.

Could it be that Metrolinx just wants to get rid of it because of speed and thought they would try to slip it through with the Don Mills launch plan?

Besides the Ferrand stop that cannot be built - but now suddenly can, I would also like to understand the portal relocation better as well.

Property Constraints. The questions to answer are; why was this condo project allowed to proceed and interfere with the biggest transit project in Toronto's history, now that it is built What would the cost of shoring the building foundations be, and How much can people from the condos complain about noise when other launch and extraction sites are not that far removed from residential areas and the condo is at a site that has been known to be under construction (for the portal) for about 5 years.

Traffic Impacts. A large source of the traffic impacts are due to the median LRT that is trying to be designed, requiring a realignment of Eglinton Ave. If the portal is on the South side of Eglinton for a South Side alignment, traffic disruption would be greatly reduced or almost eliminated.

Slope Stability. The concerns seem to be on the north side of Eglinton, thus simply locate the LRT on a South side alignment and not in the median.

Soil Contamination. What would the cost be to remove this soil. Although there is a great extent of contaminated soil shown, only that in the vicinity of the portal and West abutment (for the bridge over the West Don) would have to be removed.

 

[CapitalSeven]

I didn't say that residents would be 6 minutes further from Don Mills, I said that that was the walking time between the "entrances" to the two stops. Anyone on or along Ferrand/Deauville is going to be, yes, 4 or 5 minutes closer to the Ferrand stop, and the buildings on the east side of the DVP would be closer to it than to Wynford.

My point is that you have to consider desinations off Eglinton and whether there are enough riders to justify the stop. Clearly not for a deep underground station at Leslie, but the Ferrand stop is going to cost peanuts to build and put many more people within a short distance. It's a democracy; they asked, they got.

 

[Rainforest]

IMO both decisions, the removal of Leslie and the reinstatement of Ferrand, make sense; as long as the Ferrand stop does not interfere with the ability to short-turn trains at Don Mills.

 

[nfitz]

I'm always shocked how despite the prominence of this project, that many don't seem to know about it. I bumped into a young, intelligent, engineer who lives in Toronto and takes transit a lot. They made an off-hand comment about it's a shame there's no subway on Eglinton. They were surprised (and pleased) when I mentioned this project and it should be open in 2020.

Maybe TTC should do what Montreal does, and put under-construction projects on the subway map ...