ShonTron
Moderator
Line 5 got its first major disruption this morning! Signal issue between Mount Dennis and Cedarvale, shuttle buses dispatched.
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Full Metal Junkie
Senior Member
The station depth conversation reminds me of the time I visited St. Petersburg, Russia. Now that is a deep metro system. Due to something to do with ground waters, they built it at astonishing depths. The deepest station there is 86 meters below the ground. Not sure if I've been at that exact station, but the entire metro system there seemed equally deep. And all the stations are served by a single continuous escalator run from the top all the way to the platform. The escalator tunnels are so long and narrow, they seem to come to a single point off in the distance. Oh, the vertigo you get there....
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T3G
Senior Member
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Have you seen a photo of the Vienna Flexities? The entire vehicle design would have had to be done up from scratch. That kind of engineering costs money and takes time and is usually (though not always) different from city to city, hence why they are considered bespoke designs, even if they happen to share propulsion systems.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
On Monday, there was a man waiting for the 32D Eglinton West bus on Emmett Avenue. Had to tell him that the 32D is dead, kaput, gone, no longer in service, replaced by the 73B (and Line 5), etc..
Later in the day during rush hour, also noticed people waiting on Eglinton Avenue for a bus that comes every 10 to 20 minutes as the 34 Eglinton. Don't people listen or watch the news? Don't people read the notices at the bus stops?
Later in the day during rush hour, also noticed people waiting on Eglinton Avenue for a bus that comes every 10 to 20 minutes as the 34 Eglinton. Don't people listen or watch the news? Don't people read the notices at the bus stops?
daptive
Senior Member
One thing I’d really like to see in new stations are faster escalators! I’m sure there’s very strict codes that limit it, but it’d be nice if the province (country?) could review them to shorten the vertical commute.
Cities like Hong Kong run their MTR escalator at a noticeably faster speed, feels like 50% faster, and they have a much older population than we do
hawc
Senior Member
Apparently not. I was talking to people in my office yesterday and was amazed how many people had no idea about it. Some saying, "Oh there's going to be a subway now on Eglinton?" And when I was like, "No there IS one now! It's finally open after 15 years construction! Except it's an LRT not subway." And then they're like, oh it's a streetcar? So funny. I guess most folks aren't as deep into this as us.
Full Metal Junkie
Senior Member
Haha, speaking of low information folks... I called my friends just over a week ago only to find out they were packing their bags, leaving for a Cuban vacation that night. I sarcastically joked that they are going to attempt to catch the last flight out before Cuba runs out of jet fuel and bombs start falling. I was met with a confused "what do you mean?". After explaining to them the whole oil embargo thing and food shortages that Cuba is experiencing, all I heard back was "phh, stop making sh!t up" in response.
They finally made it back home yesterday on one of the last flights out of Cuba.
I'm sure if I start telling them about the fabled subterranean-steetcar-LRT-subway thing that now runs under Eglinton, they will look at me like a confused dog again.
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daptive
Senior Member
Can we all just imagine the bliss urbantoronto members would live in if this was our life.
One day someone just comes up to you and mentions there’s a new subway underneath you, and you just accept it because you haven’t been scouring a 2000 page forum for 18 years.
Sometimes my friends will talk to me about how skyscrapers just “pop up” out of nowhere and I’m internally twitching thinking about the decade of planning just to get the tower started
mikey7767
Active Member
because the future costs and the current costs add up to the total costs of a project.....It's isn't rocket science. You're acting like just because we've paid 9 Billion to date means the other costs aren't relevant....it's a cost that we will have to pay for therefore it's part of the project, because otherwise with your logic the Scarborough Subway only costs $2.6 Billion.
toonderly
Active Member
I haven't been able to tell, I know that the TTC will often have people in red smocks standing near stations and stops where guidance is needed. Did they deploy those people for Eglinton and if so where?
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
The 34 still runs, primarily to serve stops between the stations, but it does serve every stop along Eglinton where the 32 or old 34 would once stop.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Ultimately I think the disussion of displacing the left turns at the DVP ramps is a red herring, because it's already extremely easy to guarantee a green light for the LRT with the existing intersection configuration. At the west intersection there's a 3-stage pedestrian crossing, so LRVs can theoretically truncate the red light for the DVP if they need to. At the east intersection there's a single-stage pedestrian crossing which would be an obstacle when it's called, but based on the distance from any destinations I suspect it's extremely rare for someone to walk across the street there.There's a discussion a few pages back ( Ha!, over 1,200 posts ago, and it was only early January) noting that the interchange at DVP actually had additional clover leaves in the remaining corners that could, in theory, be revived. Those make for lousy pedestrian and cycling conditions for people crossing fast moving traffic.
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That discussion starts about here.
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**disclaimer -- I am an amateur with a crayon that doesn't really know what he's talking about* No harm in throwing ideas out. An easier (but unrealistic since it inconveniences drivers) solution to the first section could be to simply ban left turns to/from Leslie, forcing some drivers to...urbantoronto.ca
In the vast majority of cycles, the signal phase for the DVP will be displaying Don't Walk the whole time, so an LRV can easily truncate it when it approaches. It takes about 7 seconds to change from Northbound green to East/West transit green, so you only need to detect LRVs about 11 seconds in advance. It's 90 metres westbound from the Wyndford stop to the signal, which I'm guessing takes about 11 seconds, so that's perfect. Eastbound it's 285 metres which is plenty. The only physical change I'd suggest is to install multi-stage crossings along Eglinton if they intend to extend the green in Walk for pedestrians, otherwise trains would need to be detected within the Wyndford stop, which will reduce the performance of the system by making the arrival times less predictable.
Reducing time for the DVP is a non-issue because you can easily give extra time to the DVP in the following cycle to compensate for any lost capacity.
duffo
Active Member
Maybe I just got lucky, but the on opening day I ignored Google Maps' instructions and took Line 5 to visit a friend. I'm a fast walker, but I got there a full 20 minutes faster than it calculated. It wanted me to take an extremely infrequent bus from Line 1, which I probably would have missed and waited forever for!
duffo
Active Member
Trains will be running in both directions every 3.5 minutes during peak come May. That could mean trains crossing the DVP every 1-2 minutes (combined from both directions). I'm not sure it would be so easy to add extra time to the following cycle, when you could have trains at basically every cycle. I think in retrospect they really should have had the tunnel portal east of the DVP around Wynford to avoid this, since the DVP is probably the hardest cycle to modify (and requires MTO approval).
There's tons of opportunity for both better TSP and also conversion of full 4-way signalized intersections at minor streets into signalized crosswalks with "right-turn only" onto Eglinton. Particularly east of Victoria Park.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Yea with the DVP becoming provincial now, there is no way MTO will let Metrolinx / the TTC play with signal timings there. The timings and capacity around freeway interchanges are sacrosanct for MTO as preventing backlogs on the on-ramps back onto the mainline freeway is critical to safety. If queues back up onto the mainline freeway it can be incredibly dangerous. MTO in general is famous for being very restrictive in the design of their interchanges and nearby local access roads - I've sat in a few meetings personally on this matter and they would never sign off on anything that they think would impact freeway operations.