[Burnt creek]

Can't exactly compare with cabs/Uber as they are point to point service. The premium pays for that.
A better comparison should be GO's airport routes.

True but GO changes their bus routes. I know of one example of nearby route for GO (to the airport) that got changed last year and I still don't know why. The service can be very infrequent. You are limited with GO unless you are lucky to have nearby Go Bus stop. With Line 5 to the UP express, a lot of people you should be able to get there from their subway station or TTC bus stop.

PS.: I forgot to mention. Go buses are sometimes not reliable at all when you are returning to Toronto on Sunday or statutory holiday. The waits for the GO buses at Person can be torturous. I believe UP express is a much more regular service on weekends and stat holidays.

 

[CityRider]

Yes, Line 5 will be the fastest during the rush hours.

Even with the ridiculously slow operation on surface similar to what we see on Line 6. Those slow sections make 40% of the length. The other 60% is tunneled or elevated, and that will make the overall travel time competitive.

Completely subjective on my part, but having cycled the length of Eglinton from about Warden to Allen Rd a few times the last couple winters when Line 5 testing was going on and the trains were stopping at stops, etc, I was passed multiple times on the surface sections (no idea of the tunneled portions of course). This was daytime, no snow, December as I recall. Compare this to when I'm regularly able to pass 3-4 streetcars on King street between Jarvis and Bathurst (of course, not a fair comparison with stop distances, traffic, etc)

 

[rdaner]

Metrolinx and TTC are planning on eventually implementing One Fare for the UP Express. It's just that UP Express is supposed to be a premium service so there has been some reluctance in the past to the idea, but given that UP Express is definitely being used a lot for not just airport travel but by commuters and with St Clair-Old Weston Station going to only be served by UP, TTC is forcing Metrolinx's hand on it.

As a daily user of UPX I will say that most people during busy periods get off at Weston or Bloor.

 

[Rainforest]

Completely subjective on my part, but having cycled the length of Eglinton from about Warden to Allen Rd a few times the last couple winters when Line 5 testing was going on and the trains were stopping at stops, etc, I was passed multiple times on the surface sections (no idea of the tunneled portions of course). This was daytime, no snow, December as I recall. Compare this to when I'm regularly able to pass 3-4 streetcars on King street between Jarvis and Bathurst (of course, not a fair comparison with stop distances, traffic, etc)

Well that's how it is supposed to be. Even when in street median and subject to traffic lights, but: not competing for space with any other vehicles, and the stop spacing is fairly wide.

I am glad if this is going to work on Eglinton. And, still very confused why it can't / doesn't work on Finch West.

 

[urbanclient]

Isn't this the point? The subways are not the fastest when there is little traffic to contend with. So, if the LRT is faster than driving at the most congested times of day, how is that a bad thing?

That's the point for system that meets baseline expectations. Some metros in China can beat driving at any time of day. Top speeds hitting 100 km/h are common, rarer express lines are in the 120 to 160 km/h range. Slow, lumbering subways that rarely hit their theoretical top speed of 75 km/h like Toronto's Line 1 are a relic of the past.

 

[Rainforest]

Isn't this the point? The subways are not the fastest when there is little traffic to contend with. So, if the LRT is faster than driving at the most congested times of day, how is that a bad thing?

Still not a great design overall. With the amount of money spent, should have added 20% more and build a high-capacity subway line. Not needing that capacity today, or even 15 years from now? True, but what about 50 or 70 years from now. It will be quite hard to boost the capacity even then.

However .. if nothing particularly bad occurs, the public reception of this line might actually be positive once it opens. General public does not think about the billions spent, or about the potential capacity issues 50 years down the road. As long as it does not get an outage on the opening week, and the total travel times are good for many riders .. people will be happy.

 

[Northern Light]

Apologies if this has been previously posted, this is a busy thread!

But a user, maxcentury, on Reddit posted updated signage at Cedarvale Station which includes the span of service (start to end times each day) for the Crosstown.

I trust this is for a soft opening only as that is a very early closure.

 

[McGillicuddy]

I trust this is for a soft opening only as that is a very early closure.

It better be. 10 AM on Sundays?

 

[11th]

Apologies if this has been previously posted, this is a busy thread!

But a user, maxcentury, on Reddit posted updated signage at Cedarvale Station which includes the span of service (start to end times each day) for the Crosstown.

View attachment 710395

I trust this is for a soft opening only as that is a very early closure.

Looks like trains are not stored across the line, or at least at Kennedy. The first departure eastbound from Mount Dennis should be around 5:30 (Mon-Sat). That train goes to Kennedy and comes back to do the first wetbound trip at 7:11.
The reverse for the last trains. The 10pm eastbound train has to return to Mount Dennis.

 

[A 6264]

I trust this is for a soft opening only as that is a very early closure.

I agree, and it's also a late opening IMO. Many stores are open at 7 AM, and in one direction, employees would not be able to use the line to get to work.
A few years ago, there were signs in the window at Don Valley station saying it would be open 24 hours, and I jumped to the conclusion that meant the trains would run 24 hours. Now I presume they mean the public can enter the station 24 hours to access bus platforms, but not the train. I guess it threw me because that's not how subway stations work. When the subway closes, so do the stations, and buses only stop on the street without entering the station.
When I was a kid in the 1970s, I lived near a streetcar line that ran all day and night. And I remember when the Blue Night service came in, bringing night service to all of Toronto, instead of just downtown, it seemed to be a big step forward. I've always thought the subways would eventually run 24 hours, and am disappointed that there is never any talk of that happening, even though other cities do it. I don't know how many streetcar lines run all night at the present time, but assuming some or all do so, why not subways and LRTs as well.

 

[Milaisacat]

FWIW, SkyTrain service on Sundays begins at different times based on line and location.

Expo Line
First train (earliest segment): 7:06 am
First train (entire line): 7:44 am

Millennium Line
First train: 7:30 am

Canada Line
First train (earliest segment - Downtown to the airport): 4:48 am
First train (entire line): 5:33 am

Edit: credit where it's due, for rapid transit serving an airport, the Canada Line has fantastic operating hours, including weekends. Can you take the train from downtown to catch a 6am flight? No, not likely. But you sure could for a 7am flight. The last train to downtown leaves YVR at 12:54 am, too. And these first train/last train schedules are the same 7 days a week. The UP Express schedule is even better, too.

 

[McGillicuddy]

Now I presume they mean the public can enter the station 24 hours to access bus platforms, but not the train. I guess it threw me because that's not how subway stations work.

It is how some subway stations work.

Spadina, Union, and Queen's Quay are all open 24/7 due to the overnight streetcar service. With Spadina, they do lock most of the station entrances overnight: you can only enter through the door on the bus platforms.

I'm surprised to learn that they're doing the same with Don Valley, though.

 

[IRT_BMT_IND]

That sign also reveals the round trip time between Cedervale and Kennedy is about 90 minutes including a layover at Kennedy. So probably around 40 minutes one way.

 

[McGillicuddy]

That sign also reveals the round trip time between Cedervale and Kennedy is about 90 minutes including a layover at Kennedy. So probably around 40 minutes one way.

Well that can't be right. This forum promised me it would be at least 4 years.

 

[urbanclient]

That sign also reveals the round trip time between Cedervale and Kennedy is about 90 minutes including a layover at Kennedy. So probably around 40 minutes one way.

Well that can't be right. This forum promised me it would be at least 4 years.

I will celebrate if I am wrong. But the numbers being inferred here are not the same ones as were stated in the Dec 10 TTC Board meeting.