jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
They still have them. They just don't see any use right now because they're pole only and much of the track is converted to pantograph only. There is an RFP for converting them to use pantographs.
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Northern Light
Superstar
As this thread was the most recent place to see discussion of the Allen/Eglinton intersection, and the need to alter/mitigate it............ I will place this here.
A report to next week's Infrastructure and Environment Ctte updates the issue and notes that the department is the process of hiring an engineering consultant (they could model this themselves, but I digress)....
to study the options. They will report back in Q2 2026 to the Ctte.
From the above:
I will flag some people who may have thoughts, @innsertnamehere , @reaperexpress , and @TwoWheelPoli come to mind, I will also post a link to this thread over in the Cycling thread given the impacts this intersection is having on cycling on Eglinton.
A report to next week's Infrastructure and Environment Ctte updates the issue and notes that the department is the process of hiring an engineering consultant (they could model this themselves, but I digress)....
to study the options. They will report back in Q2 2026 to the Ctte.
From the above:
I will flag some people who may have thoughts, @innsertnamehere , @reaperexpress , and @TwoWheelPoli come to mind, I will also post a link to this thread over in the Cycling thread given the impacts this intersection is having on cycling on Eglinton.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
All contemplated changes look relatively minor.
that intersection is simply never going to operate particularly well as it was never designed as a Freeway terminus, but anything helps.
that intersection is simply never going to operate particularly well as it was never designed as a Freeway terminus, but anything helps.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Then maybe the answer is that we need to make it more like it should have been.
The eastbound Eglington, take and build a lane raised in the centre and then have a flyover from it to Allen.Rd.
From the southbound Allen Rd, do much the same thing with a flyover.
You would need to close Everden Rd
It won't look pretty, but it will flow,and pedestrians can get through there easily.
turini2
Active Member
Sure, thanks!
Makes me think of the pain that Crossrail had at getting the Paddington auto-reverse to work.
The asterisk probably applies there too - basically, the train leaves Paddington in GoA3, drives into the siding automatically and then resets itself before driving back to Paddington in the other direction - all while the driver walks down the 200m long train to the other driving cab, ready to drive the rest of the core section in GoA2.
It wasn't fully working until a good year until the Elizabeth line core had opened.
smallspy
Senior Member
Visibility is not nearly as good in a tunnel as it is outside. It's much harder to gauge stopping distances, for instance. So yes, you need signals to safely operate in the tunnels.
And while there is a degraded manual mode for emergencies, much like on the subway system it's not really useful for running any significant revenue service.
10 years ago? No, you didn't. 30 years ago, perhaps.
The TTC has not used any of the the PCCs in revenue service since the end of 1995s. Their last days of revenue service were on Carlton, as they'd been booted off of Queens Quay due to noise complaints. All but the two kept for the historical fleet were sold off by the end of the next year.
They have had them out for publicly-accessible special events from time-to-time, but they would not have been used in regular revenue service.
Dan
A 6264
Active Member
Well the reply at the top of page seemed to confirm they do (or did) have some. I remember it being about 6 years ago, not long before the first covid hit. I could have predicted I'd get both yes and no answers to my question. Thanks for your reply.
Steve X
Senior Member
I think you remembered the CLRV that ran on the 506 till their retirement. The PCC offers a different riding experience. A much more squeaky mechanical sounding ride.
Northern Light
Superstar
While noting that we are a bit off topic here..............
My best effort at an answer.
The last schedule PCC Regular Revenue Service run was indeed December 8th, 1995.
However, they did run as part of summer service on 509 Harbourfront, as late as summer 2017.
@smallspy would know which devision they were based out of , and whether they ran in to or out of service via Carlton.
The final run for any CLRV streetcar in regular service was also in December and pre-Covid it came on December 29th, 2019.
The last ALRV was retired that same year in September.
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APTA-2048
Senior Member
Both users are actually saying the same thing. After PCC service ended, two cars were kept. They used to go out for special events. I believe 2018 was the last one to celebrate 80 years of PCCs in Toronto. The route did not travel along Carlton and it wouldn’t make sense for them to do so to head back to the division.
TTC invites you on a sentimental streetcar journey
</p> <p>This Sunday, the TTC recognizes the 80th anniversary of the PCC streetcar in Toronto by taking one of its two vintage Red Rocket streetcars out for a ceremonial ride downtown.</p> <p>PCC streetcars first entered service in the city on Sept
www.ttc.ca
A 6264
Active Member
It's likely that's what it was, and I'm wrong again!
Civdis
Active Member
Build the Allen Tunnel to the Gardiner
. Intersection problem solved!crs1026
Superstar
Small nitpick - as per November and December 1995 UCRS Newsletter reports, the cars were removed from service prematurely in October 95 but then reinstated on the 504, 505, and 506 routes. The official last in-service run was indeed a 506 car, but there were also a celebratory run for officials along King and Queen and a charter run that went to St Clair. .
- Paul
evandyk
Senior Member
It's 100% a CLRV. Those slowly disappeared as the new ones all came online, and the last one being around 2019 matches my memory as well.
I've lived in Toronto since 2001 and have seen the PCC once or twice on "ceremonial" occasions. If they were running regularly on Harbourfront in the 2000s, I never saw it.
PCC
vs CLRV
innsertnamehere
Superstar
PCCs ran on sundays on Queens Quay about 10 years ago from what I recall.