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nfitz
Superstar
The majority were completed less than 5 years ago. But when did assembly start? Aren't the cockpits built in Europe? I doubt they suspended production on them, which I believe started 10 years ago.
Who knows how long some of the completed sub-assemblies had been sitting in bins before they were finally assembled together in Kingston, 5 years ago.
A 6264
Active Member
Are the drivers' booths really called cockpits? (Slowest moving cockpits ever?)
nfitz
Superstar
Damned if I know - but I expect everyone knew what I meant. "Drivers booths" sounds more like a WC!
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fanoftoronto
Senior Member
You're definitely correct, but it also depends on the components that were built between 2015 and 2020. Also depends on storage conditions tho this may be questionable given Bombardier.
Wheels, brakes, electronics, mechanical components may be a problem due to rust, oxidation, humidity, etc. Again, proper climate controlled storage can prevent any potential issues.
But if they built all the seats, poles, plastic finishes and had them chilling on a shelf it wouldn't matter to the overall life of the vehicle.
It's definitely disingenuous for the Metrolinx CEO to call the LRVs as 10 years old when they were only delivered between 2020 and 2022.
It's like driving a car brand new off the lot and calling it 3 years old just coz the dashboard and the seat springs where manufactured 3 years ago.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
The pilot car was completed by the end of 2016. A second car was completed in 2017. Production started in 2018.
nfitz
Superstar
Final assembly started in 2018. Much of the work was done elsewhere, and was done long before final assembly started in Kingston.
A 6264
Active Member
In time for Halloween... Frankentransit!
TOtramz
Active Member
It's now been around 10 days of RSD for line 5....
Has anyone noticed anything unusual about the frequency of train testing or does it seem as normal (good)?
Has anyone noticed anything unusual about the frequency of train testing or does it seem as normal (good)?
crs1026
Superstar
I will cut the CEO some slack on the aging thing, because they are likely basing their understanding on the info that is being fed up to them by their staff. And that message from staff probably is stressing that the equipment is not brand new and the maintenance budget is already stressed because the equipment is coming up for periodic maintenance and perhaps some components are already needing tlc. That reality is indisputable and the precision of the age is not really material, even if staff have stretched the data a bit. CEO’s are not expected to have every fact precisely recorded (although they do need to factcheck). The trend is what needs to register with the CEO.
Even five years of aging will force the renewal of many things, and the maintenance prrogram will be dealing with 5-year-old trams even if there have not been riders yet.
No different than when your new car (well you think of it as new, but a couple years have gone by) needs its first expensive servicing - coolant, transmission and brake fluid replacement… “what, already??????”
- Paul
Even five years of aging will force the renewal of many things, and the maintenance prrogram will be dealing with 5-year-old trams even if there have not been riders yet.
No different than when your new car (well you think of it as new, but a couple years have gone by) needs its first expensive servicing - coolant, transmission and brake fluid replacement… “what, already??????”
- Paul
zang
Senior Member
There's a reason old garaged cars with low mileage bring higher resale values.
Even if these trams were a full 10 years old, they won't have anything close to the equivalent wear and tear of other 10-year-old rolling stock.
EllaW
New Member
I drive/bike frequently near the east end of the line and I’m not totally convinced they are continually running RSD. Maybe 70% of the time I’ve been there it looked like they are, but I still see the tracks empty other times.
transitthinker
New Member
Was on the Kitchener Line today around 2 and the yard looked full, though I could be wrong but the past few days it's been much emptier
crs1026
Superstar
Quite true.... but the maintenance schedule will tell you it's time to change the fluids, even if the car has been sitting in the garage for five years. Those trams will be five years into the maintenance regime, and given all the testing I will bet that things like brake pads are already getting thin. The carbodies won't be five years into decay as they haven't seen much salt, but anything that deteriorates with exposure to air or uv wil have been aging. Door seals, vent and window seals, etc... and those lead to water getting in, or fluids getting out, and then....
The point is, to the shop forces, they are now working on five year old trams that need to be shopped..... and to the operating manager, availability for service has to take into account that numerous cars will be in for work at any given time.
- Paul
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TOtramz
Active Member
Perhaps weekends are the designated days to do a maintenance blitz on the vehicles? More so considering how high maintenance the vehicles are purported to be.
I don't know if this is the case for other rapid transit lines in Toronto, and feel free to correct me.