stevensontransit
Active Member
so with this report, what is your best estimated opening month?
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nfitz
Superstar
I don't see the relevance, as I don't TTC was a party to this agreement, and they are going to open it when it's safe and ready - rather than a following whatever dumb contract Metrolinx signed off on.
Presumably at this point, this more about when Metrolinx starts paying ProjectCo as if hey were operating, rather than actually operating.
TOtramz
Active Member
It’s really hard to tell until substantial completion has been declared, which it hasn’t.
For example if RSD started this month, then according to the contract the line should very likely open by the end of the year
hawc
Senior Member
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zang
Senior Member
Off-topic, but annoying to see the city couldn't be bothered to put Dutch Junctions for the cyclists, despite the obvious room for it, and stuck a bike box right in front of a right-turn lane where someone's guaranteed to ignore the "no right turn on red".
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Reminder that pedestrians and cyclists are STILL forbidden to go north on Black Creek Dive from Eglinton Avenue West.
zang
Senior Member
Yes, but that doesn't mean pedestrians and cyclists can't be protected. When I saw Hawc's image above, my first thought was despite bike infrastructure, It's still gonna be a place of a lot of near-misses by aggressive drivers..
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Need more pedestrian and cyclist road infrastructure now, not later. At 25 Photography Drive, they plan to build 45, 43, 39, 37, 36, 30 & 20-storey mixed-use development containing condo & rental units, retail, preschool and park space. See https://urbantoronto.ca/database/projects/25-photography-drive.45943
This means even MORE pedestrians and cyclists in the neighbourhood.
zang
Senior Member
Yes, we need more overall pedestrian and cyclist paths, but I think you're missing the point that unsafe infrastructure is worse than no infrastructure. At least the latter doesn't give a false sense of security. This intersection was more than capable of having proper, safe infrastructure, at likely zero difference in cost of what was actually put it. I'm sure somewhere a calculation was made that 0.6 seconds would be saved for drivers if protected bike/pedestrian crossings were put in and priority (as always) was given to cars. We know how to make dutch junctions (we even have at least one, see Bloor & St. George), yet always default to older, less safe crossings.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Undead
Senior Member
Yeah, my first response to the pic of that intersection was that I wish they hadn't done the right turn lanes.
Even as a driver, I don't like these lanes for what they do to pedestrian and cyclist safety. Also as an avid walker, I'd much rather that lane be repurposed for pedestrian safety.
And besides, right turn lanes don't really save drivers much time in most cases from what I've seen. They just encourage aggressive turns.
Thanks for the great drone pics, as always @hawc
Even as a driver, I don't like these lanes for what they do to pedestrian and cyclist safety. Also as an avid walker, I'd much rather that lane be repurposed for pedestrian safety.
And besides, right turn lanes don't really save drivers much time in most cases from what I've seen. They just encourage aggressive turns.
Thanks for the great drone pics, as always @hawc
crs1026
Superstar
^That down-on shot is worthy of a photography magazine !
I would caption it "The Fleet is In" - looks like there weren't many trams out on the line when it was taken.
- Paul
I would caption it "The Fleet is In" - looks like there weren't many trams out on the line when it was taken.
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
That picture is taken looking north at Eglinton and Black Creek. In the distance you can see the Todd Baylis/Black Creek intersection, which has pedestrians cross-lights in all 4 corners for pedestrians crossing any way.
It's very clear from the trail that it's heavily used by pedestrians. Why the inconsistent messaging? Or even the restriction - at least until you get much further north closer to the 401.
A 6264
Active Member
I've been in the opposite situation, 40 to 50 years ago. I was riding my bike on a road in Toronto that was unfamiliar to me, and a cop car stopped and asked if I realized this was an on-ramp to an expressway (I forget which one), and I said no, I didn't, and promptly turned around and went back. Luckily I didn't get hassled; I think the cop realized I didn't know where I was, because there were no signs saying no bicycles or pedestrians allowed, and there really should have been.
Steve X
Senior Member
You can’t tell people what to do but if they take the risk and get hurt, they can’t blame the city as they can’t decode the meaning of the sign.
I don’t support urbanizing every road in the city. Cars gotta have a few faster alternatives in and out the city. There is already very congested and urbanized roads with very low speed limits. If they keep doing this to every road, it’ll be like Paris or London without a good transit system.