zang
Senior Member
Except the Queen underground streetcar bypass was cancelled. I was going by actual project start to completion. The Big Dig literally broke ground in 1991.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
That means the "Eglinton" underground electric railway construction began in 1994. "Delayed" in 1995, by Premier Mike Harris. "Re-announced" in 2007, but with different rolling stock. "Construction" re-started again in 2010. Completion?
stevedean
Active Member
This is what the quality of these comparisons is turning into...
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UrbanAffair
Senior Member
Not sure if news or not, or if reported in the 1727 prior pages, but I heard from someone who has an informed contact at MX, that the issue for hold up was 6 stations with platforms that weren't aligned with doors. (If I understood correctly.)
They said this line will open this year, but it was a big screw up obviously and those platforms had to be completely rebuilt. Again, this is hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt.
They also said Line 6 will open before Line 5. I have not vetted this info, just sharing what I heard.
They said this line will open this year, but it was a big screw up obviously and those platforms had to be completely rebuilt. Again, this is hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt.
They also said Line 6 will open before Line 5. I have not vetted this info, just sharing what I heard.
crs1026
Superstar
Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis
Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. Unless there's going to be gates at every intersection where the tracks cross roads, I have no doubt that some...
Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?
We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.
This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.
- Paul
stevedean
Active Member
it's legitimately crazy that there is a video of a train going end to end of the tunnel in November 2021 (probably filmed earlier) and yet in February 2025 there is still no end date announced.Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis
Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. Unless there's going to be gates at every intersection where the tracks cross roads, I have no doubt that some...urbantoronto.ca
Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?
We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.
This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.
- Paul
TOtramz
Active Member
Perhaps that would be a much easier hold up to solve than signalling software issues
Tuscani01
Senior Member
Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis
Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. Unless there's going to be gates at every intersection where the tracks cross roads, I have no doubt that some...
Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?
We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.
This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.
- Paul
Could it just be this, which was posted earlier?
UrbanAffair
Senior Member
For sure. I have no answers, it's only what I heard from what I would deem to be a semi-reliable source. I didn't ask which stations, but I sort of assumed (perhaps wrongly) that they were referring to the outdoor stations, which would take some time, but maybe not this much time?Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis
Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. Unless there's going to be gates at every intersection where the tracks cross roads, I have no doubt that some...
Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?
We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.
This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.
- Paul
The bigger question to me, is why would MX not just be forthcoming about this, if indeed the case? I think people would hold them in a higher PR light, if they were transparent about the issues.
Northern Light
Superstar
I can't speak to platform specs.
I can say there is another issue involved in the current delays. I believe most of the information indicating that is in thread.
The issue is one that has delayed finishing operator training.
I can say there is another issue involved in the current delays. I believe most of the information indicating that is in thread.
The issue is one that has delayed finishing operator training.
toonderly
Active Member
Isn't the lack of transparency forced upon Metrolinx by the Ontario government? I forget how long ago something like that was in the news . . . almost definitely before the promise of periodic updates + at least 3 months' notice before opening, but not sure of the timeline.
TOtramz
Active Member
So in summary based on what we know from insiders on this thread:
Crosstown 2025?
1. Signal issues holding up operator training (probably biggest factor)
2. Some surface stop concrete work (probably not a big deal)
Anything I missed?
Crosstown 2025?
1. Signal issues holding up operator training (probably biggest factor)
2. Some surface stop concrete work (probably not a big deal)
Anything I missed?
rbt
Senior Member
Yes. Every single piece of information Metrolinx discloses to the public goes through the Minister of Transportation as ordered by the Premier.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
I'm not confident in 2025, especially if they haven't finished operator training.
Looking at the examples of the REM and Ottawa's Line 2, both systems had ever increasing trains running for almost a year in both cases before they opened. Ottawa finished operator training in June 2024, and only opened last month.
If it was going to open this summer for example, you'd be seeing trains running at least every 10 minutes or most days by now
There's been sporadic trains on the crosstown, but not the constant traffic you would see on a buildup to opening.
I'm not sure if it's true in the crosstown case, but Ottawa had trouble with retention of operators through the training period, which might still be one of the factors holding back full 7 day service.
Finch also seems like it's far off, as there's not enough operators there either.
Looking at the examples of the REM and Ottawa's Line 2, both systems had ever increasing trains running for almost a year in both cases before they opened. Ottawa finished operator training in June 2024, and only opened last month.
If it was going to open this summer for example, you'd be seeing trains running at least every 10 minutes or most days by now
There's been sporadic trains on the crosstown, but not the constant traffic you would see on a buildup to opening.
I'm not sure if it's true in the crosstown case, but Ottawa had trouble with retention of operators through the training period, which might still be one of the factors holding back full 7 day service.
Finch also seems like it's far off, as there's not enough operators there either.
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TOtramz
Active Member
Were they running trains every 10 minutes in 2024 when they were doing the training classes?
Perhaps the surface level work is preventing for frequent testing, and we only get to see the testing that happens on the surface.