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TOtramz said:
Were they running trains every 10 minutes in 2024 when they were doing the training classes?

Perhaps the surface level work is preventing for frequent testing, and we only get to see the testing that happens on the surface.
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Are your referencing Ottawa or Toronto here. In Ottawa's case, they were running trains as fast as they could for months, starting actually in late 2023. By 2024 during training they were running at full frequency for maybe 8-10 hours a day. They would stop and construction workers would do stuff for a few days, then it would just start again.

The crosstown had some burts of frequent trains, but it seems (at least from afar) quiet now. REM was similar with ever increasing frequency. You should see trains literally all the time right now if it was opening say 6-9 months from now. The only time it stopped was when they announced the real service test, and there was no trains for a few weeks until the real test began
 
Kyle Campbell said:
Are your referencing Ottawa or Toronto here. In Ottawa's case, they were running trains as fast as they could for months, starting actually in late 2023. By 2024 during training they were running at full frequency for maybe 8-10 hours a day. They would stop and construction workers would do stuff for a few days, then it would just start again.

The crosstown had some burts of frequent trains, but it seems (at least from afar) quiet now. REM was similar with ever increasing frequency. You should see trains literally all the time right now if it was opening say 6-9 months from now. The only time it stopped was when they announced the real service test, and there was no trains for a few weeks until the real test began
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I was specifically referring to the crosstown and what we have seen for the past few years.
 
Kyle Campbell said:
You should see trains literally all the time right now if it was opening say 6-9 months from now.
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I still say the Crosstown has a soft opening in Spring 2026, followed by a rapid succession of O-Train scale failures that require 2-3 months reduced service.

If Ford loses this election we'd see four Premiers and three Mayors overseeing this project since ground was first dug in Aug 2011.
 
stevedean said:
What are you basing that on other than pure speculation?
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Due to Queen's Park and Metrolinx lack of communication, we're all speculating. But we have the TTC saying that the earliest open date is July 2025, so presumably the city knows something. It's a rare government agency that launches anything ontime, so it won't take much to push that ready date into Dec 2025, where I would argue the builders and operators won't want to open the system in the winter or the holidays, and instead will opt for the spring of 2026 when systems can be more easily monitored during the first phases. As for rapid succession of failures, perhaps I'm just readying myself for disappointment and managing my own expectations of Metrolinx. As an aside, whatever happened to all the lawsuits between ML and the builders - some big settlements so far?
 
Admiral Beez said:
Due to Queen's Park and Metrolinx lack of communication, we're all speculating. But we have the TTC saying that the earliest open date is July 2025, so presumably the city knows something. It's a rare government agency that launches anything ontime, so it won't take much to push that ready date into Dec 2025, where I would argue the builders and operators won't want to open the system in the winter or the holidays, and instead will opt for the spring of 2026 when systems can be more easily monitored during the first phases. As for rapid succession of failures, perhaps I'm just readying myself for disappointment and managing expectations of Metrolinx.
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Jumping from July to December (6 months) just like that seems a bit of a stretch unless July is absolutely not possible.

And Ottawa just opened a new line last month - why is there this constant idea that transit cannot be opened in the winter?
 
Admiral Beez said:
Due to Queen's Park and Metrolinx lack of communication, we're all speculating. But we have the TTC saying that the earliest open date is July 2025, so presumably the city knows something. It's a rare government agency that launches anything ontime, so it won't take much to push that ready date into Dec 2025, where I would argue the builders and operators won't want to open the system in the winter or the holidays, and instead will opt for the spring of 2026 when systems can be more easily monitored during the first phases. As for rapid succession of failures, perhaps I'm just readying myself for disappointment and managing my own expectations of Metrolinx. As an aside, whatever happened to all the lawsuits between ML and the builders - some big settlements so far?
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Didn’t they open the line 1 extension end of December a few years ago?
 
stevedean said:
Jumping from July to December (6 months) just like that seems a bit of a stretch unless July is absolutely not possible.

And Ottawa just opened a new line last month - why is there this constant idea that transit cannot be opened in the winter?
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I don't know if it's a constant idea. But IIRC, Ottawa Confederation Line (O-Train Line 1) was initially scheduled to open in Nov 2018, but was postponed to Sept, 2019, far more than the six months I'm suggesting for the Crosstown. While, AIUI the primary reasons for the O-Train delay were related to technical issues and system testing, winter weather also played a role, during the testing phase, with ice buildup on the tracks and issues with the train doors freezing, which required further adjustments and testing. So, it's not that transit cannot be opened in the winter (and, we have ready examples above of transit opening in winter), but it's easier to conduct final checks outside of the cold season. And there's also the issue of Torontonian's "transit delay fatigue" or "delay acceptance." After years of broken promises, Metrolinx and the TTC know we're not going to march on Queen's Park if it's delayed further for warmer weather.
 
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Admiral Beez said:
I don't know if it's a constant idea. But IIRC, Ottawa Confederation Line (O-Train Line 1) was initially scheduled to open in Nov 2018, but was postponed to Sept, 2019, far more than the six months I'm suggesting for the Crosstown. While, AIUI the primary reasons for the O-Train delay were related to technical issues and system testing, winter weather also played a role, during the testing phase, with ice buildup on the tracks and issues with the train doors freezing, which required further adjustments and testing. So, it's not that transit cannot be opened in the winter (and, we have ready examples above of transit opening in winter), but it's easier to conduct final checks outside of the cold season. And there's also the issue of Torontonian's "transit delay fatigue" or "delay acceptance." After years of broken promises, Metrolinx and the TTC know we're not going to march on Queen's Park if it's delayed further for warmer weather.
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As another note towards later than sooner, Ottawa's Line 2 opened 2.5 months *after* it passed final testing (although there were additional complications due to it being a federally regulated railway). The REM though opened 1 month after passing it's test, so here's hoping that it's not a long close out phase.
 
Doug Ford says the Crosstown will open this year.

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Via Twitter.
 
stevedean said:
I know people are laughing at this, but by saying this publicly for the first time, it makes him accountable.
Up until now, he's never committed to a date/year, so this is a change in message.
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He must have gotten some kind of confirmation or special info from metrolinx that the line would indeed open this year......

Or this is all campaign bluster 😥
 
TOtramz said:
He must have gotten some kind of confirmation or special info from metrolinx that the line would indeed open this year......

Or this is all campaign bluster 😥
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Bluster. There's no way they could be sure, even if they were feeling confident.

I mean there's still a good likelihood (I'm predicting Q4 for the reasons I've mentioned above about testing), but it's far from guaranteed
 
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