felix123
Active Member
At this point I think they're padding their schedule "just 'cause."
Or maybe they've gotten so used to huge delays that that don't actually remember how to do an opening day anymore.
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Or maybe they've gotten so used to huge delays that that don't actually remember how to do an opening day anymore.
evandyk
Senior Member
They have said they're going to give three months' notice, and haven't walked that back. If that's still true, that puts us at April 1 at the earliest.
Northern Light
Superstar
If my source's info is accurate; and I don't doubt them at all; but they are as at the mercy as the rest of us to Mx, or the consortium not achieving what they were supposed to by date 'x'.......The TTC would have sufficient lead time to begin to operate sometime in Q2.
As @Steve Munro has pointed out above, there is a lead time from the moment the TTC is told 'GO' to being able to have the line staffed up, the minimum lead time is one Board Period, (sign-up for routes by operators), which varies in length throughout the year, but would be ~6-8 weeks on average, but the lead time is actually a bit longer, as someone has to order the new schedule into effect and create the sign-up ups for those schedules, which won't be changed the day or even the week before they are supposed to go up.
To bring this back together, I think a Q2 date from mid-April through end of June should be viable if other targets are hit as they should be.
But the latter remains to be seen.
Ramping up service in the summer would seem odd to me; as the TTC has to deal with vacations like any employer, and generally cuts back service going into summer. But we shall see.
jordanmkasla2009
Active Member
Summer gives the TTC the time to measure the service impacts of the massive number of service changes that will be made once it launches with a bit of a lower demand for service. Doing so would allow them to make adjustments to the schedules that would go into effect for the September board period when service demand increases.
T3G
Senior Member
Except that the schedule sign ups for the September board period occur some time in advance, so if there is any time frame in which they can make adjustments to the schedule, it is a trivially small one.
Northern Light
Superstar
@T3G is correct. The September Board is set by mid-July at the latest. So they would be unable to use any learnings before the October Board.
Amare
Senior Member
I know in the past, the TTC has had an aversion to having major service adjustments take place in the summer board periods (asides from the seasonal service reductions).
Unless Metrolinx presses them to do otherwise, i'd be surprised if the TTC would willingly look to start operations here in the summer board periods.
Unless Metrolinx presses them to do otherwise, i'd be surprised if the TTC would willingly look to start operations here in the summer board periods.
Toronto Rocks
Active Member
Is it only a matter of time that Metrolinx merges with (takes over) the TTC?
crs1026
Superstar
I would speculate that is now off the table. ML has no credibility left. QP does not want to inherit the operational headache of delivering transit to Toronto, especially with an unreliable organization doing the delivery..... and the organizational churn would paralyse things for a year or two..
It was fine for ML to propose "Superlinx" a few years ago, but fortunes have changed.
- Paul
crs1026
Superstar
Transit planners will tell you that the Labour Day service change is the most difficult and stressful adjustment of the year. A "big bang" LRT rollout would compound that.
If it's not done by Canada Day, it will be October.
- Paul
drum118
Superstar
Dec 10
I did a "WHAT" going past Mount Dennis Station Entrance that I did a U-turn to go back to have a look and shoot it.
The whole plaza area as well most of the hill have been 100% removed with grading taking place. Never noticed it last week when I went by it. The area was removed for the extensions with only a narrow walkway from the street to the entrance that could be use by riders li the line was in service. The area will be rebuilt in 2025 or so.
Crew working on the Caledonia Stations and been some time I seen any one there.
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I did a "WHAT" going past Mount Dennis Station Entrance that I did a U-turn to go back to have a look and shoot it.
The whole plaza area as well most of the hill have been 100% removed with grading taking place. Never noticed it last week when I went by it. The area was removed for the extensions with only a narrow walkway from the street to the entrance that could be use by riders li the line was in service. The area will be rebuilt in 2025 or so.
Crew working on the Caledonia Stations and been some time I seen any one there.
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Jago88
Active Member
I know it is not new news but I live in this area and walk by here every other day probably and it is sickening to have watched this get built with lovely paving, benches, lights being added only to see them partly opened, surrounded by temporary fences before being completely ripped out. Maddening
ctf5650
New Member
Shocking, it feels like a few weeks ago folks seemed hopeful for a potential Q1 opening and now October is coming up in discussions (as an extreme of course but still crazy)
drum118
Superstar
It was built like it should since the extension was only on the backburner at the time. I do agree that it was sad to see the area torn up, considering I been shooting that area from day one, but it had to be done to deal with the extension. This what you get when there is no funding in place when one phase stop and the other is not ready. If the recession hadn't happen in 2008, the extension would be built now on the surface as plan, not underground like Ford like to place transit at higher cost than it should be in the first place.
Will it be fully ready come June 1, 2025 when the line is to open then if it does happen??
Northern Light
Superstar
In a word 'No'.......
I would agree with @crs1026 above........but would add..........
Mx despite its a massive budget and influence is actually a very small organization.
Head office wise, they fit in Union Station.......and only a small portion thereof........
IF they 'took over' the TTC...........the reality would be the TTC taking over them............
The latter organization is infinitely larger, far more senior management, far more middle management, far more technical expertise in house (yes, some of it not as good as one would hope, but :I digress)...........
Mx is a spec of dust to the TTC. I don't mean that in a silly way, but just a comparator of scale and size......
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Organizational issues aside............ the province wants no part of the politics of running local bus services..........