[picard102]

So...cut and cover? Yea im sure that would be popular in...*checks notes* scarborough 6 lane stroads in 2015

Are smaller stations only possible with cut and cover?

 

[nfitz]

Precisely. It could have been extended later on. Going forward transit lines should be done in phases. The enormous size of this project is leading to a lot of issues.

This project is in phases. Phase 2 gets it to Renforth. Phase 3 to the airport.

I've seen nothing to indicate that size is a significant factor in the commissioning delays.

 

[fanoftoronto]

Are smaller stations only possible with cut and cover?

Most stations are built using cut and cover tech. The TBMs will tunnel through the station area and they will then dig down the full size of the station box. Building smaller stations means you're just backfilling more soil. The bigger problem was for TYSSE that had gargantuan structures above ground leading to higher costs.

Crosstown kinda fixed that by needing smaller stations and having smaller stations buildings.

Ontario Line changes everything by needing keyhole shafts at specific locations and the actual station boxes are mined horizontally from these shafts. Specifically the downtown stations are built using this method. The problem with OL is that they have to go down 35 metres in order to build the station boxes.

 

[T3G]

So...cut and cover? Yea im sure that would be popular in...*checks notes* scarborough 6 lane stroads in 2015

So... Scarborough is too good for grade integrated transit, and also for cut and cover? Does no one else get the feeling that these people are asking for entirely too much?

Also the deep tube station shown in the post you replied to is not cut and cover.

 

[turbanplanner]

Since when has Toronto Council GAF what Scarberians wanted? This was a chance to force change, get rid of the stroads, add bike lanes on both sides.

Lmao I’m sure people will bike from Ellesmere and morningside to the core

 

[Admiral Beez]

Lmao I’m sure people will bike from Ellesmere and morningside to the core

I think the goal would be for people to cycle within their community.

 

[ARG1]

So...cut and cover? Yea im sure that would be popular in...*checks notes* scarborough 6 lane stroads in 2015

A quick look at the drawing that was sent, plus actual visits to St. Patrick Station will show that it was not in fact built with Cut and Cover.

 

[ShonTron]

The line map displayed in the Mount Dennis Station (visible to the public from the sidewalk/MUP) shows a connection to the GO Barrie Line at Caledonia and Line 3 Scarborough at Kennedy.

 

[allengeorge]

 

[turbanplanner]

I think the goal would be for people to cycle within their community.

To where though? I used to live in the area and if anyone’s travelling in the area it’s almost always to a big box store (not bringing a Walmart haul on a bike) to the movies or the bluffs (again not great options) it took me like 30 mins to bike to Kingston road from the bluffs

 

[rdaner]

Just a few screenshots of the refurbished Kodak building that will be a community space!

 

[Admiral Beez]

To where though? I used to live in the area and if anyone’s travelling in the area it’s almost always to a big box store (not bringing a Walmart haul on a bike) to the movies or the bluffs (again not great options) it took me like 30 mins to bike to Kingston road from the bluffs

The whole area will change.

 

[Railrunner]

Eglinton Crosstown at the Science Centre May 2024, soon?​

 

[Voltz]

We should have just dug a proper 28 km subway entirely below grade from Renforth to Kennedy and using new buys of the same Toronto Rockets we use on the Sheppard and Yonge–University Lines, or whatever trains will be bought for the 26 km Bloor-Danforth line.

If we had started a boring machine at Renforth in 2011 and stayed below ground the entire distance, minus bridge underpasses, how long would it need to get to Kennedy? I believe such machines run at about 10-15 meters per day. It's 28,000 meters as the crow flies from Renforth to Kennedy, so that's 2,800 days, or about eight years, assuming we don't run a second machine from Kennedy going westward.

What would that have done? More tunnels and bigger stations would not have solved the poor management and design decisions, and the outsourcing of all the knowledge and management experience. If it had been left as an in house TTC project, as part of an ongoing transit construction office that included other projects like the Spadina extension, DRL, and the other LRT lines, then we would have been much better off, we would have been riding the first phase in 2015.

 

[Admiral Beez]

What would that have done?

That depends. Is this a genuine inquiry from a place of intellectual, open-minded curiosity, or merely a rhetorical dismissal?