picard102
Senior Member
If there isn't a massive issue, then the government obstructing FOI requests are a bit odd.
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nfitz
Superstar
I was a bit surprised crossing it at Victoria Park the other day, and seeing them use on of those bars to measure the distance between the closest westbound and eastbound tracks.
No one would care that it is too wide. Does that mean they are concerned it's too narrow!
No one would care that it is too wide. Does that mean they are concerned it's too narrow!
hawc
Senior Member
I heard the monoslab at Eglinton is cracked and would require the entire station box be excavated to re-pour it.
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generalcanada
Senior Member
me reading this thread with theese rumors
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Metrolinx should squash the rumours and provide an update.
Sandpit
Active Member
This is really Toronto's version of the Berlin airport. Sitting basically complete for years but unable to open due to various issues. They ended up opening 9 years late.
Steve X
Senior Member
I guess they are still pointing fingers. ML gave bad specs (cause they never built a subway before) vs Crosslinx (who is hired cause they are suppose to be the experts follow ML's bad specs). Now no one wants to talk about it.
Maybe the line will never open and all they are doing are stall tactics till the next election.
Maybe the line will never open and all they are doing are stall tactics till the next election.
smallspy
Senior Member
What's that line that my buddies in the media say? "If you don't hear a good rumour by noon, start one."?
That seems applicable here.
Dan
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Like Cinicinatti's tunnel to nowhere.
Or, if your premise is correct, Queen's Park may decide that the Crosstown is too big to fail and infinite funds will be allocated to get it running. As such the Crosstown will be province's greatest example of sunk cost fallacy. The ultimate gravy train.
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BMO
Senior Member
Would be egregious, but not surprising that a mistake like this could occur. Big complex project, and in my experience working on this project way back at the onset (no longer thankfully) there was a lot of learning that had to occur within Metrolinx since this was one of the first major provincial projects in a while managed by them. Spadina was heavily influenced by TTC and had an existing spec to work off. My perspective of Metrolinx staff at the time was well educated but limited actual experience having managed/delivered these projects and many MX managers were just trying to keep up with all the contractor comments and a million coordination meetings.
Big infrastructure is hard, and considering our entire country essentially slept on this specific type of infrastructure (rapid transit) for decades, we are now experiencing the consequences of that knowledge gap, both financially, and through these mistakes. Going forward, I'm sure this heartache will lead to better project delivery on new lines, which I think we're already seeing with Finch LRT and Ontario Line. But if we want to get the best return on investment, we have to continuously invest in this infrastructure so our skills can continue to be improved and investments in delivery innovation can be developed. Unfortunately, you can't just buy a new subway line "off-the-shelf" from Asia, because the legal, and regulatory environments in all geographies continuously change.
T3G
Senior Member
Not buying into the idea that a knowledge gap is to blame for this result. The TTC built the Spadina subway, Cherry Street tram line, and did countless rail replacement projects in the years surrounding the Crosstown's construction. The Spadina subway was delayed, but it was nowhere close to being as big of a cock up as the Crosstown was.
Is the lesson here that we should have had the TTC build it? Better the devil you know. I have not at any rate come away impressed by P3s or their necessity.
Is the lesson here that we should have had the TTC build it? Better the devil you know. I have not at any rate come away impressed by P3s or their necessity.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
Considering the amount of work they're doing on the western extension, that would be a very concerning scenario. This project would go down as one of the biggest waste of tax payer dollars in Canadian history.
Can we just "re-do" this line? Rip everything apart and go back to the original plan and build a subway?
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Bojaxs
Senior Member
Admiral Beez
Superstar
It's enough of an issue that they needed to post a policy about it.
(j) An employee shall not, on behalf of Metrolinx, hire their family member or friend. Additionalrequirements are in the Metrolinx Nepotism Policy.(k) An employee shall not, on behalf of Metrolinx, enter into a contract with their family memberor friend, or with any person or entity in which any of them has a substantial interest.(l) An employee who hires a person on behalf of Metrolinx shall ensure that the person doesnot report to, or supervise the work of, the person’s family member or friend. Additionalrequirements are in the Metrolinx Nepotism Policy.(m) An employee who reports to, or supervises the work of, their family member or friend, shallnotify Human Resources. Additional requirements are in the Metrolinx Nepotism Policy.
evandyk
Senior Member
I think every big company has a policy to that effect.