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ION doesn't have the same ATC system, that's one of the reasons it was delayed. Waterloo Region was counting on just using what Crosstown had (which should have had its trains and system in-hand ahead of ION), but the ATC wasn't spec'd yet so Waterloo Region had to go out and source their own. The region unintentionally ended up being the launch customer for the Flexity Freedoms, which is where a lot of ION's delays came from. Not that you'd ever hear Metrolinx / Del Duca fess up to that, they were too busy pointing the finger at Bombardier.

I think you mean some Transit City projects in general and the Sheppard LRT project specifically were supposed to be delivered in advance of ION. AFAIK Crosstown was always being delivered after ION given how long it would take for the tunnelled section.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

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Laird, the gateway from pseudo-subway to pseudo-streetcar. Encouraging to see such provisions for changing directions here. We may not get two distinct lines but we have support for unique service patterns on each section!

 

[KevinT]

I think you mean some Transit City projects in general and the Sheppard LRT project specifically were supposed to be delivered in advance of ION. AFAIK Crosstown was always being delivered after ION given how long it would take for the tunnelled section.

The entire project, yes, was going to be later, but trains were supposed to be test lapping at the EMSF under ATC before ION was to begin testing their trains from their own OMSF.

 

[ssiguy2]

Whether you agree with Michigan Lefts doesn't really matter. The point is that even without them, the LRTs shouldn't have to stop for any lights along the entire grade portion of the line. If it has to stop even once, that is one time too many and will exemplify how Toronto is more concerned about moving cars than it is about moving people.

 

[drum118]

Eglinton Crosstown LRT April 2024​

​ UPDATED: Periodic Daytime and Overnight Lane Reductions for Road Restoration Works at Eglinton Station​

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​ What Work is Taking Place?​ As early as Monday, April 15, 2024, crews at Eglinton Station will be performing road milling, paving, and line painting works at Yonge Street and Eglinton Avenue. Work will take place during the daytime and overnight. To complete milling, paving, and line painting works safely, eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue will be periodically reduced to one lane in each direction between Duplex Avenue and 55 Eglinton Avenue East. Northbound and southbound traffic on Duplex Avenue will be periodically reduced to one lane in each direction at Eglinton Avenue West. Northbound and southbound traffic on Yonge Street will be periodically reduced to one lane in each direction between Roehampton Avenue and 2221 Yonge Street.​

Updated: Landscaping Restoration Works and Electrical Connections on Yonge Street and Eglinton Avenue​

What Work is Taking Place?​ Ongoing through until approximately late-July 2024, crews at Eglinton Station will be performing landscaping restoration works and electrical connections on Yonge Street and Eglinton Avenue. On Eglinton Avenue landscaping restoration activities include planting a mixture of Freeman Maple, Gingko, Kentucky Coffee Tree, and English Oak trees between Duplex Avenue and Holly Street. On Yonge Street landscaping materials include planting Kentucky Coffee Trees, as well a mixture of Karl Foerster Feather Reed Grass, north of Eglinton Avenue.​

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What Work is Taking Place?​ Through Spring 2024, crews will be continuing with sidewalk deficiency repair works at various locations along Eglinton Avenue East between Brentcliffe Road and Kennedy Road (refer to map). To facilitate this work safely, short-term sidewalk closures will be in place on Eglinton Avenue East between Brentcliffe Road and Kennedy Road. Temporary pedestrian rerouting around work zones will be in effect. Property access will be maintained at all times.​

Extended: Landscaping Works on Eglinton Avenue East between Brentcliffe Road and Leslie Street ​

What Work is Taking Place?​ Through Spring 2024, crews will be continuing with landscaping restoration activities on the north and south side of Eglinton Avenue East, east of Brentcliffe Road. To facilitate this work safely, eastbound and westbound traffic on Eglinton Avenue East will be periodically reduced to one through lane between Brentcliffe Road and Leslie Street. One lane of traffic in each direction will be maintained at all times. On the north side of Eglinton Avenue East, landscaping restoration activities include planting approximately 31 large trees (including a mixture of Common Hackberry and Bur Oak), as well as approximately 99 small tree whips (including a mixture of Largetooth Aspen, White Spruce, Black Maple, White Birch, Cockspur Hawthorn, Pin Cherry, Silver Maple, Bitternut Hickory, Black Cherry, Bur Oak, and Eastern White Cedar), and numerous shrubs and small plants.​

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Ivan Simic, Community Engagement Advisor at Eglinton Crosstown East Office, hosted two fantastic and informative videos about Mount Pleasant and Laird Stations.

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[Admiral Beez]

I call Newfoundland steak on that supposition. My guess is at the earliest we’ll see service begin in spring 2024. Followed by a O-Train like shutdown soon after opening due to some oversight in operations, design or execution.

I call Spring 2024 because the lawsuits between Metrolinx and their contractors need to be settled, which can take months. And then construction work needs to be resumed and completed, followed by post-winter testing and trials.

Well, I guess I was wrong here. Any bets on regular service beginning before autumn?

Whether you agree with Michigan Lefts doesn't really matter. The point is that even without them, the LRTs shouldn't have to stop for any lights along the entire grade portion of the line. If it has to stop even once, that is one time too many and will exemplify how Toronto is more concerned about moving cars than it is about moving people.

I assumed there would be a sensor or switch to know when the LRT is approaching to force all cross lights to red. Is that what ROW literally stands for?

 

[drum118]

Well, I guess I was wrong here. Any bets on regular service beginning before autumn?

I assumed there would be a sensor or switch to know when the LRT is approaching to force all cross lights to red. Is that what ROW literally stands for?

Not in Toronto

Sometime after Sept 15

 

[Admiral Beez]

Not in Toronto

Sometime after Sept 15

Well, that’s stupid. There should be no opportunity whatsoever for the LRTs to be forced to yield to vehicular traffic

 

[smallspy]

Well, that’s stupid. There should be no opportunity whatsoever for the LRTs to be forced to yield to vehicular traffic

He's incorrect about that. There are sensors for detecting trains around the intersections, and there is some connection between the signal system on the surface section and the traffic signals at the intersections.

Dan

 

[drum118]

He's incorrect about that. There are sensors for detecting trains around the intersections, and there is some connection between the signal system on the surface section and the traffic signals at the intersections.

Dan

If there are sensors as you stated, they are not working from what I have seen to date.

From day one, and still are, transit lights turn red about 10 seconds before traffic lights start to change.

Every train that has arrived at an intersection has to stop at traffic lights then keep on going when the lights are about to change.

If a train is at the station, they must wait until the cars turn left before moving from the station. I have shot a video of this in its and it was posted many pages back in this thread.

 

[cplchanb]

If there are sensors as you stated, they are not working from what I have seen to date.

From day one, and still are, transit lights turn red about 10 seconds before traffic lights start to change.

Every train that has arrived at an intersection has to stop at traffic lights then keep on going when the lights are about to change.

If a train is at the station, they must wait until the cars turn left before moving from the station. I have shot a video of this in its and it was posted many pages back in this thread.

so the surface section is being configured to be a glorified streetcar??! geez TTC just dinosaur and redtaped again!

 

[smallspy]

If there are sensors as you stated, they are not working from what I have seen to date.

I'll be honest - I haven't had a chance to talk with my buddy who was involved in the signal system design as yet. I'm hoping to in the next couple of weeks.

But is it possible that the way that they are set up to operate doesn't do so in a way that you expect? If they are tied in with the signalling system, then - like YRT's busways - they may only enable priority when delayed. Or when a train is scheduled. As of right now, all of the testing has been done without a schedule.

From day one, and still are, transit lights turn red about 10 seconds before traffic lights start to change.

That's by design. It takes a lot longer for a 300 foot long LRV train to clear an intersection - especially when decelerating - than a 20 foot automobile. Can you imagine how long the people would be waiting if a train attempted to go through on a stale yellow?

Every train that has arrived at an intersection has to stop at traffic lights then keep on going when the lights are about to change.

Observational bias. I've seen trains that sailed through the intersection without stopping, some coming to a stop at the far side platform, and a couple clipping past without stopping at all.

If a train is at the station, they must wait until the cars turn left before moving from the station. I have shot a video of this in its and it was posted many pages back in this thread.

What? Most of the stops have far-side platforms - the cars turning left have no bearing on the train once it is in the platform.

Dan

 

[ssiguy2]

ML has a lot to answer for about Eglinton with it's delays and incompetence and heads should roll although they won't. That sai, this glorified streetcar that will be stuck in traffic is NOT the fault of the TTC or ML but rather the fault of the City and the DoT. The City could very easily remedy this situation by making sure that the LRTs all receive complete green lights along the entire corridor with the stroke of a pen. This of course would force the City to be the REAL transit city it likes to espouse itself as being. If these trains have to stop for any lights along the entire at-grade section then the City has decided that cars must come first even after a decade of construction and $12 billion spent. Full stop.

 

[Dan416]

ML has a lot to answer for about Eglinton with it's delays and incompetence and heads should roll although they won't. That sai, this glorified streetcar that will be stuck in traffic is NOT the fault of the TTC or ML but rather the fault of the City and the DoT. The City could very easily remedy this situation by making sure that the LRTs all receive complete green lights along the entire corridor with the stroke of a pen. This of course would force the City to be the REAL transit city it likes to espouse itself as being. If these trains have to stop for any lights along the entire at-grade section then the City has decided that cars must come first even after a decade of construction and $12 billion spent. Full stop.

I'll reserve judgment until we see what kind of priority the Crosstown gets. If it ends up as a glorified streetcar I'll be forced to agree with you. If the LRVs get full priority I'll completely disagree with you. If it's somewhere in between, then we'll see.

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

I'll reserve judgment until we see what kind of priority the Crosstown gets. If it ends up as a glorified streetcar I'll be forced to agree with you. If the LRVs get full priority I'll completely disagree with you. If it's somewhere in between, then we'll see.

Crazy how nobody in the public 10+ years into this project knows how the signalling will actually function. Transit projects should really not be black boxes like this. We should have public access to technical documentation like is standard in Italy.