[SaugeenJunction]

From the latest construction update, see bold:
HOURS OF WORK
• Concrete pours and material deliveries will continue to take place at Eglinton Station through 2022.
• These activities are expected to occur on a weekly basis between 9:00 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.
• Crews at Eglinton Station are currently working extended construction hours; extended construction hours will continue through 2022.
• This work may be delayed or rescheduled due to inclement weather or unforeseen circumstances.

Concrete Pours and Material Deliveries at Eglinton Station - Through 2022 | Crosstown

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It’s good to see extra hours at Eglinton station, and very clear we’ve still got a few months left of work.

 

[cplchanb]

It’s good to see extra hours at Eglinton station, and very clear we’ve still got a few months left of work.

would it be realistically possible to get to a state where they can at least start bare bones service at eglinton? or bypass eglinton and the other stations? the sooner they open the stations the sooner they can start
recouping the costs. they could easily open the surface section to science center.

 

[ARG1]

would it be realistically possible to get to a state where they can at least start bare bones service at eglinton? or bypass eglinton and the other stations? the sooner they open the stations the sooner they can start
recouping the costs. they could easily open the surface section to science center.

Crosslinx has actually proposed this, and Metrolinx has stated that under no circumstance do they want to do this. Eglinton is like the feature station of the line, and opening the line without would really drive home the point of how unfinished the line is.

 

[cplchanb]

Crosslinx has actually proposed this, and Metrolinx has stated that under no circumstance do they want to do this. Eglinton is like the feature station of the line, and opening the line without would really drive home the point of how unfinished the line is.

just like they mask their failures in endless amounts of political catch phrase jargons and dressups, Im sure they can find a good spin off excuse for opening the eastern section. they could use it as operational testing, or just simply say they want to serve ontarians as quickly as possible. id bet that would actually be more acceptable to to the public than to delay the entire line. they really need to drop their ego about this and think about the riders instead of their vanity.

 

[T3G]

How would they spin the fact that anyone wanting to transfer to the Yonge line wouldn't be able to do so for months to come?

 

[cplchanb]

How would they spin the fact that anyone wanting to transfer to the Yonge line wouldn't be able to do so for months to come?

Be truthful and straight up about it. They need to open the line asap. Underground line isn't ready but surface is so we will phase the opening. It'll also give us an opportunity to test and optimize our operations in a real world environment.

As simple as that, however the bureaucrats will never be truthful

 

[drum118]

Be truthful and straight up about it. They need to open the line asap. Underground line isn't ready but surface is so we will phase the opening. It'll also give us an opportunity to test and optimize our operations in a real world environment.

As simple as that, however the bureaucrats will never be truthful

Great idea if you have the buses and drivers to run from X to Mount Dennis which TTC doesn't have. It would lay an egg with transit riders been force from type of vehicles to another.

You may not like it, best to wait tell it ready to fully open up even if it is in 2023, not 2022 as plan.

 

[crs1026]

There's also the question of whether the relevant regulators (fire, building code, etc) can sign off the station as usable until specific bits of the work is done.
Much of the final work may be cosmetic, but if fire exits aren't openable or some safety systems and signage aren't operable, it's still a construction site and even operating through it non-stop with the public on board may just not be possible.
Better to swallow hard and get the remaining work done without operations getting in the way.

- Paul

 

[ARG1]

Be truthful and straight up about it. They need to open the line asap.

Need? Is there something going on right now that necessitates that the line opens today?

 

[SashaLemon]

Need? Is there something going on right now that necessitates that the line opens today?

The only population group that needs it open today are transit nerds...

 

[T3G]

Yeah, riders along Eglinton have dealt with the grief for over a decade, a few extra months isn't going to hurt them. There is especially not any compelling reason to put the eastern portion of the line into service in advance, since it's more lightly travelled than the central portion of the line anyway.

Frankly I think the decision to wait for Eglinton station to be finished is the right one. Opening a new line without its key transfer station would be like putting a brand new subway train into service without seats or lights, because, hey, as long as it runs. It would be a public relations nightmare and Metrolinx is fully correct in wanting to avoid it.

 

[cplchanb]

Yeah, riders along Eglinton have dealt with the grief for over a decade, a few extra months isn't going to hurt them. There is especially not any compelling reason to put the eastern portion of the line into service in advance, since it's more lightly travelled than the central portion of the line anyway.

Frankly I think the decision to wait for Eglinton station to be finished is the right one. Opening a new line without its key transfer station would be like putting a brand new subway train into service without seats or lights, because, hey, as long as it runs. It would be a public relations nightmare and Metrolinx is fully correct in wanting to avoid it.

I have a feeling that there may be a confederation line type of technical debacle shortly after opening. A phased launch with lesser traffic can allow for these potential bugs to be mitigated. Imagine a full shutdown on eglinton 2 wks after opening due to the door issues or something similar. at that point people would be questioning why they didnt soft launch when they had it available to them to do so.

 

[ARG1]

I have a feeling that there may be a confederation line type of technical debacle shortly after opening. A phased launch with lesser traffic can allow for these potential bugs to be mitigated. Imagine a full shutdown on eglinton 2 wks after opening due to the door issues or something similar. at that point people would be questioning why they didnt soft launch when they had it available to them to do so.

Your setup is correct, there could be bugs that need to be ironed out. However I fail to see how a "soft launch" is a fix. A soft launch is a launch, and people will get angry over the bugs, soft launch or not. The actual solution if anything is to delay the launch as long as possible to do as much testing as possible, if that's something you're really concerned over.

 

[Rainforest]

I have a feeling that there may be a confederation line type of technical debacle shortly after opening. A phased launch with lesser traffic can allow for these potential bugs to be mitigated. Imagine a full shutdown on eglinton 2 wks after opening due to the door issues or something similar. at that point people would be questioning why they didnt soft launch when they had it available to them to do so.

I tend to agree with this. Real operation may uncover defects that didn't get detected in testing.

It might be problematic to run the whole line, pass the Yonge & Eglinton station without stopping, and keep working on the latter.

But they could operate just the segment between Allen Road and Mt Dennis. It is connected to the yard. They could run with a low frequency, a train every 6 min or so. The #32 buses above would run all the way to Yonge as they do today, no need to transfer to LRT at Mt Dennis and then again to bus at Eglinton West. The LRT ridership would be fairly light in that scenario, but some of the teething problems could be discovered and fixed before the grand launch of the whole ECLRT.

 

[T3G]

I have a feeling that there may be a confederation line type of technical debacle shortly after opening. A phased launch with lesser traffic can allow for these potential bugs to be mitigated. Imagine a full shutdown on eglinton 2 wks after opening due to the door issues or something similar. at that point people would be questioning why they didnt soft launch when they had it available to them to do so.

What kind of problem is going to come up during a soft launch that the months and months of testing hasn't/won't uncover/ed? The example of door problems specifically is significantly unlikely as the rolling stock has been here for more than 3 years which is more than enough time to have tested it and made sure everything runs properly.