kotsy
Senior Member
Does anyone know what's going on with the rest of the land there that was occupied by bus bays? Will they rebuild them?
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Does anyone know what's going on with the rest of the land there that was occupied by bus bays? Will they rebuild them?
Northern Light
Superstar
A reduced number of bus bays will be in a new terminal under the redeveloped Canada Square, assuming the City and Oxford finally come to terms.
The thread for that is here:
2180 Yonge | 247m | 65s | Oxford Properties | Hariri Pontarini
I expect Canadian Tire to move to a "hybrid" model with most staff working more days from home. Workspaces will be shared. This will significantly decrease the square footage required. That being said, some space being leased at Y-E Centre no longer be needed and incorporated somehow to Canada...
Voltz
Senior Member
Don Mills could be a good place to one day split the line, but constructing a through line at Kennedy is difficult either way, also there is a substantial ridership difference east and west of Kennedy, most westbound riders get on Line 2.Now hear me out...
I probably don't have the best ideas but I have been thinking about this. If the LRT gets long enough it may need to be split into two. It's not like there are no long "subway" lines in the world, but Line 5 is uniquely split into a long grade separated section and a long section that is not. The western extension will be grade separated, and the airport leg will (I would only assume) be grade separated. In some future reality the line could even go down the Mississauga Transitway and get a short elevated section to Square One! Meanwhile in the east, any extension will be at-grade. They are even proposing a "Line 7" since apparently connecting directly at Kennedy is too hard.
So why not split the line (eventually) at (hear me out!) Science Centre Station!
All you would need to do is remove ONE at-grade crossing at Sunnybrook Park. It would make Lines 5, 7, and 3 all converge on one station. And it would split the increasingly longer and longer at-grade and grade separated LRT sections.
Or, again, maybe I'm missing something. Like, load balancing or some nerdy thing.
Maybe I'm also just obsessed with having more individual lines with their own numbers. (WOAH, SEVEN!)
Perhaps it's not the best thing in the world to have a linear transfer. But that's what they are proposing at Kennedy anyway + you could probably choose to either through-run or short turn trains at Science Centre ANYWAY despite it being two lines in order to balance service. You would then argue that that means it may as well be one line then, BUT I think:
A) It marks very clearly a split between two lines with different operating modes.
B) If you are short turning trains on a single line, that is awkward for the customer, instead of:
C) If you were traveling east towards Science Centre and wanted to keep going, you already know you have to change trains. An announcement that the train is through-running is a nice announcement, versus the announcement that would be involved in the above example, which would be a negative one informing you that your train, despite traveling on the same line, is not continuing.
That's my two cents anyway.
DavidJamesTO
Active Member
The last official date was "some time in 2023". A couple folks I know who used to work on it figure it'll be another two years at least.
SashaLemon
Active Member
I haven't actually heard what the reason is for connecting though Kennedy being tough.
ARG1
Senior Member
The line is heading towards being split at Kennedy. What this will mean is the better option will just be to grade separate the section east of Science Center, and put it out of it's misery.Now hear me out...
I probably don't have the best ideas but I have been thinking about this. If the LRT gets long enough it may need to be split into two. It's not like there are no long "subway" lines in the world, but Line 5 is uniquely split into a long grade separated section and a long section that is not. The western extension will be grade separated, and the airport leg will (I would only assume) be grade separated. In some future reality the line could even go down the Mississauga Transitway and get a short elevated section to Square One! Meanwhile in the east, any extension will be at-grade. They are even proposing a "Line 7" since apparently connecting directly at Kennedy is too hard.
So why not split the line (eventually) at (hear me out!) Science Centre Station!
All you would need to do is remove ONE at-grade crossing at Sunnybrook Park. It would make Lines 5, 7, and 3 all converge on one station. And it would split the increasingly longer and longer at-grade and grade separated LRT sections.
Or, again, maybe I'm missing something. Like, load balancing or some nerdy thing.
Maybe I'm also just obsessed with having more individual lines with their own numbers. (WOAH, SEVEN!)
Perhaps it's not the best thing in the world to have a linear transfer. But that's what they are proposing at Kennedy anyway + you could probably choose to either through-run or short turn trains at Science Centre ANYWAY despite it being two lines in order to balance service. You would then argue that that means it may as well be one line then, BUT I think:
A) It marks very clearly a split between two lines with different operating modes.
B) If you are short turning trains on a single line, that is awkward for the customer, instead of:
C) If you were traveling east towards Science Centre and wanted to keep going, you already know you have to change trains. An announcement that the train is through-running is a nice announcement, versus the announcement that would be involved in the above example, which would be a negative one informing you that your train, despite traveling on the same line, is not continuing.
That's my two cents anyway.
The "explanation" being given is that the SSE wasn't designed in a way to easily allow for an eastern extension to Line 5, and as such making 1 continuous line will be expensive and time consuming. However, Metrolinx almost immediately made a statement saying that none of this is true. Given that the city of Toronto has a pretty lengthy history of, let's call it smudging, data to push a specific alignment or design decision that they want to build I'm more willing to believe Metrolinx in this case. The actual reason has likely more to do with making the extension cheaper by allowing them to run smaller trams, and thus save money by not burying certain stations namely Midland and Lawrence-Kingston-Morningside.
kotsy
Senior Member
Thanks, NL!A reduced number of bus bays will be in a new terminal under the redeveloped Canada Square, assuming the City and Oxford finally come to terms.
The thread for that is here:
2180 Yonge | 247m | 65s | Oxford Properties | Hariri Pontarini
I expect Canadian Tire to move to a "hybrid" model with most staff working more days from home. Workspaces will be shared. This will significantly decrease the square footage required. That being said, some space being leased at Y-E Centre no longer be needed and incorporated somehow to Canada...urbantoronto.ca
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
What i ment was we haven't seen full scale service testing of the line yet. The problem is we don't really see them out a lot during the day time that would give a better understanding of how the line is actually going to work, once all of the work on the stations is complete and we have trains running a simulated service we can get a better idea of how it's going to work. As of right now i think people are being to quick to judge on things and not looking at what is actually going on, because they expect everything is going to be working right now as it is on opening day.
toronto647
Active Member
"It is slated to open next year" - Quote from the article
Metrolinx has not outright confirmed this as well but has stated the contractor will complete their share of work by end of year and transfer it to TTC then. In essence that means it will take TTC a few months to figure out their stuff / training / logistics and probably open early Spring 2023 following the winter. Just my interpretation
Coolibop
Active Member
Yeah the way it is written makes it sound like they are talking about line 6; but it isn't behind schedule... But that's only in the title *shrug*
toronto647
Active Member
According to weather meteorologists Toronto is expected to get a harsher than usual Winter season and I am sure Metrolinx/IO/MTO/TTC/Contractors will want to test the trains in those harsh conditions. The earliest opening date I can see is sometime in March 2023.
Transportfan
Senior Member
In some future reality the line could even go down the Mississauga Transitway and get a short elevated section to Square One!
They should rough-in a section for trains to continue straight to the Transitway on the Hurontario LRT elevated structure leading to the CC Terminal for this possibility.
SashaLemon
Active Member
If the east extension is built with a different technology that is not interoperable with line 5, that would be probably the stupidest decision ever made in the history of Toronto transit.
ARG1
Senior Member
Make it Toronto Streetcar standard, and extend the Kingston Streetcar to meet it at Eglinton/Kingston.
superelevation
Active Member
Did I miss a memo? I thought they were gonna run with 2 car trains, not 3
Don't think they have enough trains for 3 cars in revenue service - they are just testing