robmausser
Senior Member
It will have catch up TSP but it will be limited to extending the green light something like 4 seconds. Useless.
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felix123
Active Member
Damn. What's strange is that every video I've seen of line 5 shows it lumbering along the surface section super slowly. But if you've seen the line 6 videos in its thread, it appears to run so much faster. I doubt that line 6 has better TSP than line 5.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Keep in mind that some of the underground stations still have people working at or near track level also they may not yet be ready to test fully in service levels. The TTC when the line 1 extension opened ran trains slowly at first and it wasn't until about 3 months before opening when the ghost service began when after emptying at Sheppard West every train then made every stop to Vaughn as if they had passengers on board. A lot of that testing wasn't seen by the general public because it was underground. Once more work is completed on all of the underground stations we will probably start to see more testing and probably simulated service.
It's a much shorter line and has only two stations that are underground neither of which seems to have had trains yet, at this point in time I wouldn't be surprised if they both open at the same time
toronto647
Active Member
Another articling stating EGLRT opening pushed to next year (2023).
I wonder what MTO/IO/Metrolinx's strategy is here? Will they just announce the line is completed at the tail end of 2022 and pass on the buck to TTC to announce an opening date. Basically washing their hands clean and acting as if they passed the line onto the city in 2022 and its TTC's fault they couldn't make it operational this year?
Only thing that makes sense at this point or else now that the elections are over an announcement of a delay to 2023 would have been made.
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I wonder what MTO/IO/Metrolinx's strategy is here? Will they just announce the line is completed at the tail end of 2022 and pass on the buck to TTC to announce an opening date. Basically washing their hands clean and acting as if they passed the line onto the city in 2022 and its TTC's fault they couldn't make it operational this year?
Only thing that makes sense at this point or else now that the elections are over an announcement of a delay to 2023 would have been made.
Finch West LRT rolling ahead on time and on budget - constructconnect.com - Daily Commercial News
Metrolinx is planning to open the $2.5 billion Finch West Light Rail Transit (LRT) system sometime next year. The line will run every five to seven minutes during peak hours on a dedicated track and link to TTC Line 1 and York and Peel Region local trans
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crs1026
Superstar
I had business on Eglinton this weekend and drove through from Mt Dennis to Caledonia.
I was astonished by the absence of orange and black pylons….. the construction encroachments on the street are finally pretty much gone.
It’s not pretty yet, lots of remediation and improvement to the street are needed, but it sure is a relief after all these years of disruption.
It may still be months away, but it’s finally actually happening.
- Paul
I was astonished by the absence of orange and black pylons….. the construction encroachments on the street are finally pretty much gone.
It’s not pretty yet, lots of remediation and improvement to the street are needed, but it sure is a relief after all these years of disruption.
It may still be months away, but it’s finally actually happening.
- Paul
StroadWarrior
New Member
Updated shot of Eglinton Station's new entrance. If I'm not mistaken, this is the final station structure to go up for Line 5.
Allandale25
Senior Member
youngblood
Active Member
the amount of times i've read that stupid copy and paste response... lol
Steve X
Senior Member
They won’t say when even if they know until an official media release. We know it won’t be in the next 3 months because that’s impossible.
felix123
Active Member
Interesting, but I don't think that would explain the perceived difference, which is all above ground, because Metrolinx themselves have stated that line 5 is at full-speed testing. Whether or not there are workers on the tracks underground should affect how long an LRV dwells at an advance-left signal.
As for the line 6 running mostly at surface, again that doesn't explain why it seems to be running faster than line 5. The surface section is where I would expect the service to be slower.
I agree that it looks like both lines will open at around the same time.
Coolibop
Active Member
Where does it say that?
JasonParis
Moderator
I wonder if they will just end up publishing one new map with a sticky cover over one of the lines until both are open (assuming they are within months of each other).
Richard White
Senior Member
The Downsview extension method.. I like it.
SashaLemon
Active Member
Now hear me out...
I probably don't have the best ideas but I have been thinking about this. If the LRT gets long enough it may need to be split into two. It's not like there are no long "subway" lines in the world, but Line 5 is uniquely split into a long grade separated section and a long section that is not. The western extension will be grade separated, and the airport leg will (I would only assume) be grade separated. In some future reality the line could even go down the Mississauga Transitway and get a short elevated section to Square One! Meanwhile in the east, any extension will be at-grade. They are even proposing a "Line 7" since apparently connecting directly at Kennedy is too hard.
So why not split the line (eventually) at (hear me out!) Science Centre Station!
All you would need to do is remove ONE at-grade crossing at Sunnybrook Park. It would make Lines 5, 7, and 3 all converge on one station. And it would split the increasingly longer and longer at-grade and grade separated LRT sections.
Or, again, maybe I'm missing something. Like, load balancing or some nerdy thing.
Maybe I'm also just obsessed with having more individual lines with their own numbers. (WOAH, SEVEN!)
Perhaps it's not the best thing in the world to have a linear transfer. But that's what they are proposing at Kennedy anyway + you could probably choose to either through-run or short turn trains at Science Centre ANYWAY despite it being two lines in order to balance service. You would then argue that that means it may as well be one line then, BUT I think:
A) It marks very clearly a split between two lines with different operating modes.
B) If you are short turning trains on a single line, that is awkward for the customer, instead of:
C) If you were traveling east towards Science Centre and wanted to keep going, you already know you have to change trains. An announcement that the train is through-running is a nice announcement, versus the announcement that would be involved in the above example, which would be a negative one informing you that your train, despite traveling on the same line, is not continuing.
That's my two cents anyway.
I probably don't have the best ideas but I have been thinking about this. If the LRT gets long enough it may need to be split into two. It's not like there are no long "subway" lines in the world, but Line 5 is uniquely split into a long grade separated section and a long section that is not. The western extension will be grade separated, and the airport leg will (I would only assume) be grade separated. In some future reality the line could even go down the Mississauga Transitway and get a short elevated section to Square One! Meanwhile in the east, any extension will be at-grade. They are even proposing a "Line 7" since apparently connecting directly at Kennedy is too hard.
So why not split the line (eventually) at (hear me out!) Science Centre Station!
All you would need to do is remove ONE at-grade crossing at Sunnybrook Park. It would make Lines 5, 7, and 3 all converge on one station. And it would split the increasingly longer and longer at-grade and grade separated LRT sections.
Or, again, maybe I'm missing something. Like, load balancing or some nerdy thing.
Maybe I'm also just obsessed with having more individual lines with their own numbers. (WOAH, SEVEN!)
Perhaps it's not the best thing in the world to have a linear transfer. But that's what they are proposing at Kennedy anyway + you could probably choose to either through-run or short turn trains at Science Centre ANYWAY despite it being two lines in order to balance service. You would then argue that that means it may as well be one line then, BUT I think:
A) It marks very clearly a split between two lines with different operating modes.
B) If you are short turning trains on a single line, that is awkward for the customer, instead of:
C) If you were traveling east towards Science Centre and wanted to keep going, you already know you have to change trains. An announcement that the train is through-running is a nice announcement, versus the announcement that would be involved in the above example, which would be a negative one informing you that your train, despite traveling on the same line, is not continuing.
That's my two cents anyway.
felix123
Active Member
Once EWLRT and EELRT are complete, line 5 will indeed be very long.Now hear me out...
I probably don't have the best ideas but I have been thinking about this. If the LRT gets long enough it may need to be split into two. It's not like there are no long "subway" lines in the world, but Line 5 is uniquely split into a long grade separated section and a long section that is not. The western extension will be grade separated, and the airport leg will (I would only assume) be grade separated. In some future reality the line could even go down the Mississauga Transitway and get a short elevated section to Square One! Meanwhile in the east, any extension will be at-grade. They are even proposing a "Line 7" since apparently connecting directly at Kennedy is too hard.
So why not split the line (eventually) at (hear me out!) Science Centre Station!
All you would need to do is remove ONE at-grade crossing at Sunnybrook Park. It would make Lines 5, 7, and 3 all converge on one station. And it would split the increasingly longer and longer at-grade and grade separated LRT sections.
Or, again, maybe I'm missing something. Like, load balancing or some nerdy thing.
Maybe I'm also just obsessed with having more individual lines with their own numbers. (WOAH, SEVEN!)
Perhaps it's not the best thing in the world to have a linear transfer. But that's what they are proposing at Kennedy anyway + you could probably choose to either through-run or short turn trains at Science Centre ANYWAY despite it being two lines in order to balance service. You would then argue that that means it may as well be one line then, BUT I think:
A) It marks very clearly a split between two lines with different operating modes.
B) If you are short turning trains on a single line, that is awkward for the customer, instead of:
C) If you were traveling east towards Science Centre and wanted to keep going, you already know you have to change trains. An announcement that the train is through-running is a nice announcement, versus the announcement that would be involved in the above example, which would be a negative one informing you that your train, despite traveling on the same line, is not continuing.
That's my two cents anyway.
Although one of my biggest gripes with the TTC is the number of transfers required for most trips, I do see the merit in splitting line 5 into a metro line and an LRT line.
Maybe they could at least try full TSP before going that route though
