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The above had me wondering about relative salt tolerance of otherwise appropriate species.

I found this very short blurb from a University Professor in Vermont which would have similar climate to Toronto:


Sedum did not rank in the top tier of tolerance; but in the next tier down.
 

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cplchanb said:
Certainly doesn't help that from an untrained eye they look like the current streetcars to begin with
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I think ppl are going to refer to it as the LRT.

Today I took the lrt from kennedy - I got on the LRT at science center. I really don't think ppl will call this a streetcar. At least not the general public, I think that only happens here because we're all transit enthusiast. People say take the RT from kennedy to STC. The same will happen here.

What I did notice from that short video is the speed of the LRT. Even in testing that looked like it was moving faster than what I was envisioning. Add some priority signaling and we may get speeds much faster than I thought
 
Is this not the public transit equivalent of a STROAD? Part is rapid, grade separated transit with associated station spacing, part is at grade with road crossings and close to street car station spacing. Even ignoring the difficulty of signaling priority, this already seems unworkable to achieve 30+ trains per hour each way already. Adding in needing to keep this and cars somewhat happy via signaling priority (which is partial snake oil as a concept and a CLEAR step down from grade separation) and you have a disaster. Then, we you realize the issue with most new train lines, even fully grade separated ones, and you really wonder how this awful compromise was chosen. This will be worse once the west extension is built and this central, at grade section will become the most hated piece of infrastructure in the city, hated by transit users and drivers alike - at least this unity makes it more likely to be fixed, eventually.
 
Randomguy said:
Is this not the public transit equivalent of a STROAD? Part is rapid, grade separated transit with associated station spacing, part is at grade with road crossings and close to street car station spacing. Even ignoring the difficulty of signaling priority, this already seems unworkable to achieve 30+ trains per hour each way already. Adding in needing to keep this and cars somewhat happy via signaling priority (which is partial snake oil as a concept and a CLEAR step down from grade separation) and you have a disaster. Then, we you realize the issue with most new train lines, even fully grade separated ones, and you really wonder how this awful compromise was chosen. This will be worse once the west extension is built and this central, at grade section will become the most hated piece of infrastructure in the city, hated by transit users and drivers alike - at least this unity makes it more likely to be fixed, eventually.
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I am a transit rider and I see nothing wrong with a center lane lrt system. What was before were busses, I don't see how anyone is going to complain about not taking a bus and now having to take an LRT instead. The LRT is the better choice compared to the buses. Sure grade separated would've been better, but clearly that wasn't the most economical choice. Now I do agree that there are too many stops between birchmount and say pharmacy, but the anger definitely wont be as high as you are making it.

For the most part, everyone just wants this to be over with and will be happy when it is.
 
Aplus23 said:
I am a transit rider and I see nothing wrong with a center lane lrt system. What was before were busses, I don't see how anyone is going to complain about not taking a bus and now having to take an LRT instead. The LRT is the better choice compared to the buses. Sure grade separated would've been better, but clearly that wasn't the most economical choice. Now I do agree that there are too many stops between birchmount and say pharmacy, but the anger definitely wont be as high as you are making it.

For the most part, everyone just wants this to be over with and will be happy when it is.
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Thats not the point, building that and only that type of transit on this line is ok. It is the combo of the better section vs the East part that makes this a transit version of a STROAD.
 
Looks great BUT when coupled together it really emphasizes the HUGE gap between each train. It's unfortunate that they went with that type of LRT train and not something with more 'squared' fronts/backs to minimize the gap like a proper light metro train. Obviously a light metro traint couldn't happen without full grade separation. Nevertheless, a huge improvement over buses. :)
 
picard102 said:
I found it quite slow.
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It's called "testing". The very first tests were clearance tests. There is still brake tests, testing with disabled cars and trains, reverse testing, testing with only one pantograph... Speed testing comes later.

The maximum speed is governed at 80 km/h. Level ground, I'm assuming.
 
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Aplus23 said:
I am a transit rider and I see nothing wrong with a center lane lrt system. What was before were busses, I don't see how anyone is going to complain about not taking a bus and now having to take an LRT instead. The LRT is the better choice compared to the buses. Sure grade separated would've been better, but clearly that wasn't the most economical choice. Now I do agree that there are too many stops between birchmount and say pharmacy, but the anger definitely wont be as high as you are making it.

For the most part, everyone just wants this to be over with and will be happy when it is.
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It is an improvement over the buses but people will be upset getting this after spending billions of dollars. At that price, every rider may as well get a personal bus 😂
 
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