[Allandale25]

MEDIA ADVISORY: Councillors Call For a 3-Point Plan to Address Eglinton Crosstown Delay

MEDIA ADVISORY Councillors Call for a 3-Point plan to address Eglinton Crosstown Delay Toronto, ON - Councillors Mike Colle and Josh Matlow will be holding a press conference today at 5:00 p.m. at the RioCan Yonge Eglinton Centre, at the northwest corner of Yonge and Eglinton, in response to...

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[Coolstar]

MEDIA ADVISORY: Councillors Call For a 3-Point Plan to Address Eglinton Crosstown Delay

MEDIA ADVISORY Councillors Call for a 3-Point plan to address Eglinton Crosstown Delay Toronto, ON - Councillors Mike Colle and Josh Matlow will be holding a press conference today at 5:00 p.m. at the RioCan Yonge Eglinton Centre, at the northwest corner of Yonge and Eglinton, in response to...

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Some actual good news despite the delay. At least we can get some sections open like the surface and western underground portion.

 

[urbanyimby]

Some actual good news despite the delay. At least we can get some sections open like the surface and western underground portion.

This will never happen, no matter how loud Josh Matlow cries over this. Cedarvale won't be ready before 2022

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

This will never happen, no matter how loud Josh Matlow cries over this. Cedarvale won't be ready before 2022

Cedarvale Station is less complicated to work with than Eglinton Station. Eglinton Station is a decades older and surrounded by tall buildings.

 

[Richard White]

Cedarvale is less complicated to work with than Eglinton. Eglinton is a decades older and surrounded by tall buildings.

I would not be surprised as well if Eglinton collapsed in on itself or if other more urgent structural issues appear.

 

[H4F33Z]

I'm just confused on how yonge-eglinton has been under construction for more than 10 years. AnD aLL tHe StAtIoN WoRk hAs only StArTeD a YeAr AgO.

 

[Richard White]

I'm just confused on how yonge-eglinton has been under construction for more than 10 years. AnD aLL tHe StAtIoN WoRk hAs only StArTeD a YeAr AgO.

They had to do relocation of various utilities, installation of various equipment, etc. This takes time and must be done before other work. That is why work on the station is only being done now.

That being said they have been working on the crater where the original bus bays were for a few years now.

 

[H4F33Z]

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Finally... but no actual trains anytime soon.

 

[drum118]

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Finally... but no actual trains anytime soon.

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When we drove by site a few weeks ago, we could see most of the platforms were in place. Was hoping to get to the site by now to take photos of it as well a few other places were tracks are now in place. Maybe it could be next week.

With this delay, how far east could service be phase in?? The best I can see, Yonge can't see service until late 2021 or early 2022 as well the rest of the line east of it. The best I could see will be to the Spadina Line depending on the stations between Mount Dennis and Cedarvale Station. This will reduce the number of buses west of Eglinton West Station on Eglinton as plan and be use elsewhere.

Other than the tail track for Mount Dennis and the tunnel under the rail corridor that will be in place by the summer, that station is ready for service as well the yard.

 

[rbt]

Crosstown won’t open on time? I’m shocked. Shocked!

Delays of this sort happen. The real story is in ML’s secretiveness and lack of transparency. ML seems to believe its own press releases.If they can just keep denying, it will open on time......

The thing to watch is how ML feeds its contractor to the press. The P3 process will be the victim.

No contractor is going to sign up for a P3 in the future without some very tight language and very large contingencies.

They declared P3 dead a few months ago when nobody wanted to take the RER package.

New hotness is IOs "alliance contracting model", where risk is split, and likely no single contracts over $4B either (subdivide work for tenders).

 

[dowlingm]

Metrolinx could have accepted this when it came out but the PR flack (not AMA) told CP24 that Metrolinx wasn’t accepting the contractor’s estimate. I guess they are now. Their court documents vs Bombardier over LRV delivery must make grimly amusing reading for the latter now,

 

[Burnt creek]

It took four years to build the CPR. It went across canada and through the rockies. Other than surveyors maps, little would have been known about much of the terrain in 1881. 140 years later its taking twelve years to build a 25 kms LRT line from Mount Dennis to Kennedy road. Through a terrain accessible to millions.

I am not a civil engineer, but its hard image where we would be today if that same level of efficiency (over the same time period) applied to other field such as telecommunication, medicine, manufacturing, project management etc etc.

 

[tnarduzzi]

It took four years to build the CPR. It went across canada and through the rockies. 140 years later its taking twelve years to build a 25 kms LRT line from Mount Dennis to Kennedy road.

I am not a civil engineer, but its hard image where we would be if that same level of efficiency (over the same time period) applied to other field such as telecommunication, medicine, manufacturing, project management etc etc.

It is estimated that between 600 to 1000 men died building the Canadian Pacific Railway. Such a furious pace comes with great expense, I am not sure we would be willing to accept such costs in 2020.

Edit: I just remembered that the Canada Heritage Minute ad that ran put the number at 1 man per 1 mile of track. The Chinese Railroad Workers Memorial puts the number of dead at 4000.

 

[mdu]

It took four years to build the CPR. It went across canada and through the rockies. 140 years later its taking twelve years to build a 25 kms LRT line from Mount Dennis to Kennedy road.

I am not a civil engineer, but its hard image where we would be if that same level of efficiency (over the same time period) applied to other field such as telecommunication, medicine, manufacturing, project management etc etc.

Sure is a lot easier building a railway if you're willing to gamble with the lives of tens of thousands of foreign workers.

 

[tiffer24]

It took four years to build the CPR. It went across canada and through the rockies. 140 years later its taking twelve years to build a 25 kms LRT line from Mount Dennis to Kennedy road.

Around 15,000 Chinese labourers helped to build the Canadian Pacific Railway — working in harsh conditions for almost no pay, they suffered greatly and historians estimate that at least 600 died.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canadian-pacific-railway