Johnny Au
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BurlOak
Senior Member
When we decided on the numbering, I think we secretly admitted that we never want to go above 9.
The thing with most of the letters - is that it rarely needs explanation. When you say Y and B - everyone knows what you mean. When they say line 3, 4 or 6, you have no idea and have to look it up.
We are committed to these LRT's, so I say they get the same letters as subway.
Subways. O (Ontario) + the ones you mentioned.
LRT's = H (Harbourfront), C (st. Clair), P (sPadina), F (Finch), E (Eglinton), J (Jane)?
robmausser
Senior Member
HA YBS. Thats what I ask myself about the TTC when im stuck in another delay.
"Y BS? Y!!"
NoahB
Active Member
I'm confused. I find letters are what need to be explained while numbers are what is standard. Like what the TTC uses ( Line 1 Yonge, 505 Dundas, 35A Jane). And the subway lines are numbered 1 to 4. Which makes sense as we have 4 lines and will add numbers as we add lines. Why would the TTC start grabbing random letters from each route name to differentiate between the lines?
"C (st. Clair), P (sPadina) " - really...?
You can also run into the issue with having multiple routes with the same initial letter in the name. There's also the fact that letters are useful to differentiate between different branches of the same route, as the TTC does for its busses and Europe does with its branching metros. You don't have to worry about reusing the same letters because they only apply within the line/route.
"C (st. Clair), P (sPadina) " - really...?
You can also run into the issue with having multiple routes with the same initial letter in the name. There's also the fact that letters are useful to differentiate between different branches of the same route, as the TTC does for its busses and Europe does with its branching metros. You don't have to worry about reusing the same letters because they only apply within the line/route.
TransitBart
Senior Member
It’s an idea. One that will stay an idea and not become realized.
NoahB
Active Member
I hope it stays an idea. haha
Let's not take NYC's subway lettering as an example of how to do things. It is by far one of the most confusing naming systems I have seen...
Let's not take NYC's subway lettering as an example of how to do things. It is by far one of the most confusing naming systems I have seen...
BurlOak
Senior Member
I took the Sheppard East bus for about 2 years and the Finch East for 4 years going to university. I have no idea what number they were.
Yonge subway was always Yonge, or Yonge-University, or Yonge-University-Spadina.
Just because TTC came up with an illogical numbering system a few years ago - doesn't mean it's intuitive to people.
TransitBart
Senior Member
The recent numbering is for the subway lines. Buses have had number since forever. Or even when I was a student. Islington 37.
As for going to university, normally one who completes university is observant. And an observant person might have noted the bus number on the roll sign Or transfer after six years riding a bus. But I digress. Given an avatar of a university lecturer such as Ludwig Von Drake, someone must be an absent-minded professor.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
New York's is very intuitive if you're not colourblind and understand the system. Letters for BMT/IND, Numbers for IRT. Colours for the main subway line, numbers/letters for the route. If you need to go down 8th avenue, you'll go down 8th avenue if you take any blue train.
BurlOak
Senior Member
Forgot to mention that I also often took the Carlton Streetcar - again with no idea of the number.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
The Vaughan extension of Line 1 is no longer near Spadina anymore. While it may have a couple of stations at York University, north of Steeles it is closer to Highway 400.
Once the western extension of the Line 5 is built north of the Renforth Station to the Pearson Transit Hub, it won't be near Eglinton Avenue.
NoahB
Active Member
You must be kidding about the number of the bus.
Can you, in all seriousness, claim you have not noticed the number:
- above the door leading to the bus,
- on the bus front display,
- on the bus side display,
- on the signpost at the bus stop,
- or the TTC schedule/maps
I assume most English speakers read from left to right. So I really hope you are being sarcastic.
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NoahB
Active Member
That is how you use the system, not how the average user does.
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44 North
Senior Member
Different people have different brains. They can notice acute details about many irrelevant things, but miss out on other glaring things. I rode the system for three decades without acknowledging route numbers. Only the last few years I memorized the downtown streetcar system's numbering. Even today bus routes I use regularly I can't tell you the number.
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Since people are talking about relief lines and secondary Yonge subways in non-fantasy threads, one wonders if Crosstown east of DVP can have its own future service. Kennedy-Union...as a tram-train. The land availability and grades involved seem acceptable to make a transition from Credit Union Dr to RH corridor happen. Nothing crazy. It'd be a local service from Kennedy to Bermondsey, then direct right to Union thereafter. Once every 10mins at rush overlapped onto the normal Crosstown scheduling, would figure it'd be somewhat popular.
BurlOak
Senior Member
The Kennedy to Bermondsey portion of the Eglinton LRT is already handicapped because it is on-street. It will already have reduced service compared to the underground portion, and now you want to take 1/3 of the service away.
Not that it's a bad idea, but the decision to build this on-street really makes it hard to make this a useful, rapid transit route. To some degree, it is similar to what I have proposed, but I suggest a separate line going from STC to the Don Valley, and then heading for downtown.