[Midtown Urbanist]

I'm sorry, but isn't a break-light sensor on a public transport vehicle incredibly dumb?

People stand in front of the doors. They have purses and backpacks. They have dogs. They have long feet and shopping bags. Countless things that can obstruct the sensor.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

I'm sorry, but isn't a break-light sensor on a public transport vehicle incredibly dumb?

People stand in front of the doors. They have purses and backpacks. They have dogs. They have long feet and shopping bags. Countless things that can obstruct the sensor.

Maybe, but the sensor isn't the problem, it's the doors getting knocked out of their tracks when they force close. But while OC Transpo is blaming the passenger, the issue is that the doors close too early for the loads on the train. There's no conductor deciding when to close the doors like in Montreal or the existing TTC subway, it's totally automatic.

The Crosstown will run the same way, and it's likely choke points are where it connects to line 1 at Cedervale and Eglinton

Anyway Metrolinx should be watching the Confederation line very closely, as they should have lots of cautionary tales to learn from. Given the general opinion of Metrolinx on this board though, I'm guessing hope isn't high.

 

[Steve X]

Maybe, but the sensor isn't the problem, it's the doors getting knocked out of their tracks when they force close. But while OC Transpo is blaming the passenger, the issue is that the doors close too early for the loads on the train. There's no conductor deciding when to close the doors like in Montreal or the existing TTC subway, it's totally automatic.

The Crosstown will run the same way, and it's likely choke points are where it connects to line 1 at Cedervale and Eglinton

Anyway Metrolinx should be watching the Confederation line very closely, as they should have lots of cautionary tales to learn from. Given the general opinion of Metrolinx on this board though, I'm guessing hope isn't high.

I think OC Transpo's inexperience as an operator is showing. Since TTC will be operating the Crosstown instead of some contractor from ML, they would have experience with high boarding issues and how the door works (or not) on the Flexity. I'm sure this issue happens all the time on the 510 Spadina or 504 King as people rush the doors. Those King cars are pretty packed in rush hour and we aren't getting those hour long disruption cause someone forced a door open. TTC could station a bunch of people to manage people flow like the do at Bloor and St George. I'm not that worried.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Maybe, but the sensor isn't the problem, it's the doors getting knocked out of their tracks when they force close. But while OC Transpo is blaming the passenger, the issue is that the doors close too early for the loads on the train. There's no conductor deciding when to close the doors like in Montreal or the existing TTC subway, it's totally automatic.

Just going to say that blaming the passenger is the opposite way to plan a transit system.

 

[Steve X]

Just going to say that blaming the passenger is the opposite way to plan a transit system.

Especially when the system is still brand new.

There are people are purposely do stuff like hold doors and pull emergency alarms on the TTC, so not all passengers are right.

 

[rbt]

Just going to say that blaming the passenger is the opposite way to plan a transit system.

Indeed. Evaluating a broken door, emptying the train, and driving off to the storage yard (out of service) for repairs shouldn't cause more than a 5 minute delay. A broken door shouldn't turn the train into a junk heap permanently blocking the track.

 

[smallspy]

An interesting note i that I didn't know is a cbtc train is invisible to the system in manual mode. This might make shutdowns worse in all TTC lines when ATC is rolled out.

That depends on how the system is set up. I don't have details on the specific installation of the system in Ottawa, but with the system on Toronto's Line 1 that's absolutely untrue.

Dan

 

[Coolstar]

Doug Ford has made history by going on a glorified streetcar!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182707372407451648

 

[Steve X]

Doug Ford has made history by going on a glorified streetcar!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182707372407451648

OMG Doug Ford drove a streetcar!!!

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

OMG Doug Ford drove a streetcar!!!

Supervised of course. They don't know Doug's defensive driving skills. Likely would fail the Class B, C, E or F licence tests (would require learning).

 

[TransitBart]

Doug Ford has made history by going on a glorified streetcar!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182707372407451648

You know...his brother is dead. The comments he and his brother made go back four years and more. Now he's the premier and there is no question he's an under-educated, incurious oaf. But we all evolve in life. He probably doesn't even remember what he said five and six years back. I'd be stunned if he remembered what he said last week.

There is no perfect place to write about this. Sorry mods. Hope this is link not paywalled.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2019/10/09/the-neutering-of-doug-ford.html

With headlines like this, Doug Ford has waaaay better things to consider than streetcars. We should all move on. The governance of the province is at stake. And the sentiment in the Twitter comment about building a solid regional transportation system is valid, necessary and good. It's too bad that Mrs. Wynne's team dicked around so much, and that the sequel means a village somewhere is missing an idiot. But the progress continues and we should separate the sentiments about the political situation from the sentiments about what is happening on the ground.In short order, Line 5, Line 6, the Hurontario Line, The B Line and another Toronto subway will be complete and open. It's actually bigger than the person at the top. Which means the system works.

 

[TossYourJacket]

The system may work, but what it's producing is still insufficient without the Relief line, which Ford has entirely upended and potentially delayed for years because he wants to live out his dream of being the dictator of Toronto. A line we should have had at least 10 years ago.

 

[Neutrino]

^Plenty of other politicians responsible for that as well.

 

[Johnny Au]

You know...his brother is dead. The comments he and his brother made go back four years and more. Now he's the premier and there is no question he's an under-educated, incurious oaf. But we all evolve in life. He probably doesn't even remember what he said five and six years back. I'd be stunned if he remembered what he said last week.

There is no perfect place to write about this. Sorry mods. Hope this is link not paywalled.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2019/10/09/the-neutering-of-doug-ford.html

One can bypass the Toronto Star's paywall by pasting the link in outline.com. Our Führer's furor cost him dearly for all the right reasons.

 

[TRONto]

The system may work, but what it's producing is still insufficient without the Relief line, which Ford has entirely upended and potentially delayed for years because he wants to live out his dream of being the dictator of Toronto. A line we should have had at least 10 years ago.

TBH, they way it read was that Metrolinx upended the Relief Line, not Ford. It was presented as something that Metrolinx presented to Ford and he ok'd it. OTW, it's likely we would have had the status quo with the relief line. Honestly, I expect a subway to be built for the Ontario line. I believe Metrolinx is doing an RFQ with specific performance requirements. Industry will likely come back and say you need to build a subway.