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Kyle Campbell said:
Actually a snow storm will be a very interesting challenge in how they deal with it. Especially if partially greened, then you can't use a plow. If you don't run the trains through the night you'll end up with a situation like the Confederation Line where trains for stuck during testing last year. Given the independent right of way City road clearing might actually impede the crosstown. Outside of the tunneled section it might be a real mess
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It'll be in the same boat as all the exposed rails on the subway, SRT and GO rail. Same goes for the elevated guideway at the MSF plus yard tracks. You guys are overthinking this. If a snowstorm is that bad, there won't be any service on almost the entire system as Line 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 all have yards outdoors that can't be plowed. Nevermind the ROW.

Queensway used to have tracks on ballasts. Are streetcars constantly getting stuck there?

Ozman said:
Yes they have a storage track just east of Laird Station and west of the Brentcliffe (Glassworks) portal which is the end of the tunneled section. So short turns are entirely possible. In fact the plan is to short turn every second train there all the time as the headways will be so much higher in the tunnel than for the at-grade section.
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They are suppose to have a crossover west of Laird which would be easier to use than a storage track east of the platform. They could use both depending on what is the most suited at that time.

I actually never understand why some people refer to the Brentcliffe portal as the Glassworks portal. Unless you're a local, no one would know there's a street named Glassworks Dr. without consulting a map. Heck that less than 100m street doesn't even connect to Eglinton. ML doesn't use it. It's just adds to the confusion cause someone wants to be technically exact and IMO it's a million times worse than the awful names ML came up for some of the stations.
 
Steve X said:
They are suppose to have a crossover west of Laird which would be easier to use than a storage track east of the platform. They could use both depending on what is the most suited at that time.
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True. If the line was totally shut down east of Laird, then the crossovers west of Laird would probably be best as the station could operate as a normal terminal.

For short turns of some trains only, taking the eastbound train out of service at Laird, moving it into the storage track east of the station and then moving it empty into the westbound platform would probably be best. This would interfere less with the trains continuing to and ones coming from the east.


Steve X said:
I actually never understand why some people refer to the Brentcliffe portal as the Glassworks portal. Unless you're a local, no one would know there's a street named Glassworks Dr. without consulting a map. Heck that less than 100m street doesn't even connect to Eglinton. ML doesn't use it. It's just adds to the confusion cause someone wants to be technically exact and IMO it's a million times worse than the awful names ML came up for some of the stations.
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Fair point about "Glassworks portal" I actually hadn't heard anyone other than myself refer to the portal by that name and admittedly I was being a little jocular. Glassworks Drive WILL connect to Eglinton immediately west of the portal but this construction will only happen once all of Eglinton is restored from Crosstown construction. This is why I've referred to it as Glassworks portal and I've mused whether Metrolinx or the TTC will change the name once that (signalized) intersection is completed in a couple of years. I know they called it Brentcliffe portal since the original excavation for Launch Shaft 3 had Brentcliffe as the closest cross-street.

Ironically, the portal,which is quite a bit east of the original excavated hole (trapezoid), is actually closer to Leslie than to Brentcliffe. Given that you can clearly see the portal from Leslie St. (and it's not visible from Brentcliffe as it's down the hill) and its proximity, maybe it should be called Leslie Portal! (Or West Don portal).

Ok, ok. I admit this is getting silly. Brentcliffe portal it is. (Until Metrolinx in its great and unmatched wisdom, decides to "trump" all reason and name it something else) :cool:
 
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Here's a rather dumb question. Will there be dual elevators in the underground stations? Just in case one of the elevator goes out of service, there would be another one available. Nothing would be frustrating to get to an "accessible" station, and find out it is not.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Here's a rather dumb question. Will there be dual elevators in the underground stations? Just in case one of the elevator goes out of service, there would be another one available. Nothing would be frustrating to get to an "accessible" station, and find out it is not.
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Kennedy will be getting dual elevators but im not sure about the rest.
 
View into the pit infront of Eglinton West Station from Saturday night. Subway tunnel running on the left.
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W. K. Lis said:
Here's a rather dumb question. Will there be dual elevators in the underground stations? Just in case one of the elevator goes out of service, there would be another one available. Nothing would be frustrating to get to an "accessible" station, and find out it is not.
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I think is considered a requirement ever since Elevator Access laws came in effect in 2017. I don't think that the Confederation line has redundant elevators out of the goodness of beurocratic hearts. The TTC is also attempting to add redundant elevators whenever possible.
 
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An interesting read on Ottawa's door issues that might be important reading for Metrolinx on the Crosstown.

You need to read the whole thread to get the full explanation

Ion and the streetcars are in manual mode so I think people force doors less often but automatic mode on the Crosstown may have very similar issues.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1182022438621724672
 
Kyle Campbell said:
An interesting read on Ottawa's door issues that might be important reading for Metrolinx on the Crosstown.

You need to read the whole thread to get the full explanation

Ion and the streetcars are in manual mode so I think people force doors less often but automatic mode on the Crosstown may have very similar issues.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1182022438621724672
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It's amazing that the same people know how to operate elevators.
 
W. K. Lis said:
It's amazing that the same people know how to operate elevators.
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Well the dwell times aren't set right, so people rush the door. Once you're caught in a closing door, you'll naturally force it open, hence them more often falling out of the track. This doesn't happen easily on a typical metro train because they aren't using plug doors, so it's hard to knock them out of the track.

It's kind of a blame all around, but more on OC Transpo for not getting door timings right. It's one thing to close the doors on a straggler, much different then a whole crowd getting off the train.

Where this is relevant to the crosstown is that Metrolinx might repeat the same mistake that OC Transpo did, though hopefully not.

An interesting note i that I didn't know is a cbtc train is invisible to the system in manual mode. This might make shutdowns worse in all TTC lines when ATC is rolled out.
 
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