rdaner said:
Usually you are right but on this I think ‘it may be later than you think!’ lol. It is the possibility of shorter routes connecting to downtown that is peaking interest as there is immense demand and no other option at present. As well this would be of interest to a small portion of commuter traffic and those Ontario residents who come in once a month.

But enough for now. And I get the scepticism but this option is a the very beginning of a rapid upscaling to bigger planes and more seats not to mention being much quieter than fuel craft. And Porter will be first in line as will Provincial/Federal concerns. And let’s not forget the airport is now officially designated ‘Transport.’ If a hovercraft can be taken seriously by a few then this will have a much better chance. Btw I would gladly pay a premium to fly to Downtown Kingston for the day.
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I would be interesting to see the "immense demand" of which you speak.

The Regent Seaglider flies essentially in ground effect - over water. Best as I can tell, it flies within one wingspan of the water, so, not very high. Any destination would have to be across water.

I have no idea of what type of terminal/shore facilities they would require but it certainly isn't an airport.
 
Perhaps the best example to clear up confusion is Harbour Air in Vancouver with its Coal Harbour to Jasper service for ~$220 lasting 45 minutes and is profitable. Also they are introducing electric seaplanes. As far as capacity, upgrades to accommodate I don’t know but it would likely be a matter of funding and planning rather than thinking this is a far-off fantasy.

And maybe not BB but it would make sense and avoid all sorts of current serious issues with expanding capacity. And this is a refinement of a model that was used extensively in the 20-30s.
 
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rdaner said:
Perhaps the best example to clear up confusion is Harbour Air in Vancouver with its Coal Harbour to Jasper service for ~$220 lasting 45 minutes and is profitable. Also they are introducing electric seaplanes. As far as capacity, upgrades to accommodate I don’t know but it would likely be a matter of funding and planning rather than thinking this is a far-off fantasy.

And maybe not BB but it would make sense and avoid all sorts of current serious issues with expanding capacity. And this is a refinement of a model that was used extensively in the 20-30s.
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Toronto > Niagara, Toronto > Collingwood, and Toronto > Muskoka could work maybe?
 
rdaner said:
Perhaps the best example to clear up confusion is Harbour Air in Vancouver with its Coal Harbour to Jasper service for ~$220 lasting 45 minutes and is profitable. Also they are introducing electric seaplanes. As far as capacity, upgrades to accommodate I don’t know but it would likely be a matter of funding and planning rather than thinking this is a far-off fantasy.

And maybe not BB but it would make sense and avoid all sorts of current serious issues with expanding capacity. And this is a refinement of a model that was used extensively in the 20-30s.
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Given how slow they are to gain altitude (if you are hearing an annoying aircraft in east Toronto it's more likely to be a seaplane than anything else), the amount of water they need for takeoff, and this incident, I'd rather see the seaplane base closed entirely as a quid pro quo for runway changes and not expanded into commercial scheduled service to congest local airspace further.

Unfortunately this is one of these threads where it would be great to have an FAQ link at the top of it, where people could find answers to what would have to change to allow non-medevac jets to operate at YTZ (and no, it wouldn't be just more runway length).

As for Chow and the extension - Chow agreed to the absolute minimum which was a RESA to allow current service operate safely. In return the airport operates a bit longer - if airlines keep using it. Some on here would have had her stamp her foot and say no, when Queens Park has a government capable of legislating away her right to object to everything the airport operator could wish for, backed by court decisions which confirm that mayors and cities exist only to the extent the province tolerate them.
 
rdaner said:
Perhaps the best example to clear up confusion is Harbour Air in Vancouver with its Coal Harbour to Jasper service for ~$220 lasting 45 minutes and is profitable. Also they are introducing electric seaplanes. As far as capacity, upgrades to accommodate I don’t know but it would likely be a matter of funding and planning rather than thinking this is a far-off fantasy.

And maybe not BB but it would make sense and avoid all sorts of current serious issues with expanding capacity. And this is a refinement of a model that was used extensively in the 20-30s.
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innsertnamehere said:
Toronto > Niagara, Toronto > Collingwood, and Toronto > Muskoka could work maybe?
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What some folks are missing is this is a 'wing in ground effect' aircraft. It doesn't fly over land, only water and I suspect only calm water. It would need what amounts to a seaplane base for terminal facilities.

This all seems quite aspirational (speculative? venture capitalish?) As far as I can tell,, the machine is not yet certified and the US hasn't decided if it will have to be certified by the FAA (aircraft) or USCG (watercraft).

Where do you see that Harbour Air flies to Jasper AB?

Harbour Air's DHC-2 eBeaver ('electric Beaver') is still pretty limited in performance and I notice that their spec page compares it to the original 'piston Beaver' rather than the Turbo Beaver which has much higher performance.
 
^Thanks! More later but will include route to Whistler. Btw I have taken them to Vancouver Island and worth money!
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christiesplits said:
Has WestJet ever expressed interest of expanding to YTZ?
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I've never heard of them expressing any interest.
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I know they run some Q400s from Pearson.
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I think the WestJet Encore Q400s disappeared from YYZ a couple of years back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WestJet_Encore#Inauguration_of_air_service_and_operating_conditions
In 2022 ... announced that WestJet would be refocusing its efforts on Western Canada... WestJet Encore would see a complete winding down of operations in the eastern half of the country. By mid 2023, all Encore routes east of Thunder Bay were suspended... All aircraft were gradually ferried to Western Canada
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christiesplits said:
Has WestJet ever expressed interest of expanding to YTZ? I know they run some Q400s from Pearson.
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Not so much them expressing interest but Porter owns most of the slots and Air Canada is foaming at the mouth to pick up any that become available.

In an alternate universe post pandemic I predicted that Porter would file for Chapter 11 and WestJet would buy them out and fly out of YTZ, but Porters hail mary execution of offering jets out of Pearson and now Hamilton seems to be doing quite well for them.
 
There's been slots available for quite some time now, that no one is interested in buying.
https://archive.ph/DTkyY
The dispute began in 2018, when Porter notified Nieuport it planned to stop using unprofitable slots beginning in 2020, a move that would save $12-million a year. Nieuport refused to agree, a decision it took after being unable to find another buyer for the slots, Porter alleged.
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