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txlseries4 said:
During some committee meeting last year, maybe on an item about mobility options, I remember hearing staff providing rationale to a councillor about the ban and they said because of the frequency and size of potholes on Toronto's roads, which are larger than what e-scooter wheels are designed to handle, allowing them on the streets would put the city at risk of litigation from injuries...

Pretty goofy rationale IMO. I think the bigger factor is that constituents would go apeshit if council made them legal and I'm sure staff isn't going to legitimize that as a reason.
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I'm going to go all "old man shouting at clouds" and state that I'm happy with them not being allowed, and I wish they'd enforce the ban on them and those e-unicycles. That said, I know I'm likely tilting at windmills on this, and they will likely become de jure permitted at some point in the future
 
txlseries4 said:
During some committee meeting last year, maybe on an item about mobility options, I remember hearing staff providing rationale to a councillor about the ban and they said because of the frequency and size of potholes on Toronto's roads, which are larger than what e-scooter wheels are designed to handle, allowing them on the streets would put the city at risk of litigation from injuries...

Pretty goofy rationale IMO. I think the bigger factor is that constituents would go apeshit if council made them legal and I'm sure staff isn't going to legitimize that as a reason.
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The disability community - especially David Lepofsky of the AODA Alliance - is knee jerk opposed to allowing e-scooters. He referred to them as the "silent menace".
 
TwoWheelPoli said:
The disability community - especially David Lepofsky of the AODA Alliance - is knee jerk opposed to allowing e-scooters. He referred to them as the "silent menace".
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I don't know if it is knee-jerk. These scooters will litter our streets everywhere. With our downtown sidewalks being as narrow as they are, a few scooters places at the wrong locations will create accessibility issues everywhere.

I don't think this is a yelling at clouds moment - I've witnessed the behaviour in other cities in Europe and don't think it would translate well here. The difference is that those European cities have road diets that take away car parking and extend sidewalk widths, which we are reluctant to do in our efforts to appease the automobile gods.

I am happy to be a late-adopter to e-scooters and instead wish we spent our efforts expanding Bike Share with the investment it deserves.
 
Midtown Urbanist said:
I don't know if it is knee-jerk. These scooters will litter our streets everywhere. With our downtown sidewalks being as narrow as they are, a few scooters places at the wrong locations will create accessibility issues everywhere.

I don't think this is a yelling at clouds moment - I've witnessed the behaviour in other cities in Europe and don't think it would translate well here. The difference is that those European cities have road diets that take away car parking and extend sidewalk widths, which we are reluctant to do in our efforts to appease the automobile gods.

I am happy to be a late-adopter to e-scooters and instead wish we spent our efforts expanding Bike Share with the investment it deserves.
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The concerns you outline are a problem only with rental programs. Sure, let's hold off on having a rental program until we figure all of these issues out - but there don't exist any valid reasons for not allowing personal scooters to be used immediately. Every single concern about e-scooters, from the general misbehaviour of people using them to their silence, exists in equal measure around bikes.
 
Tbh, I would be in favour of requiring sound emitters on scooters similar to EVs, proportional to speed. I am not disabled and still have experienced having people on escooters whip past me while walking my dog on a MUP. No bells, nothing. My dog sometimes gets startled, which is usually my only warning that they are almost on top of me. These bozos are asking to get clotheslined by a leash.
 
evandyk said:
Are they more quiet than someone on a well-tuned road bike?
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I would say yes. You can usually hear the chain on a road bike. And most people on road bikes tend not to use MUPs to go 30-40kph between intersections--I only see them riding on the road.
 
There are currently 933 operating Docks/Stations in Toronto which is +6 since my last post about expansion. However, the real number of new docks is +10, with some temporarily removed do to construction.

The new stations this time are all in the central and north-west areas of the City.

Stations have been added at:

Lawrence/Bathrust:

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Lawrence/Dufferin:

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Lawrence /Pine
and Lawrence/Renfield:

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Church/Cypress (Weston)

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Jane/Spenvalley:

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Bathurst/Baycrest:

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Jane/Woolner:

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Rockcliffe/Alliance:

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Weston/Gaydon

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max said:
Do the bikes record the GPS locations while checked out, or are they just assuming the most direct path between two stations and drawing it?
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The info on how they did this is here:

schoolofcities.github.io

Mapping Bike Share Trips In Toronto

Estimating and visualizing routes for every Bike Share trip in Toronto in 06/2024
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turbanplanner said:
I'm kind of disappointed how few bike stations are near the north end of humber or don river trails
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The East Don is a bit sparse still, but the West Don is pretty well covered:

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Coverage on the Humber is dense south of the fork.

There is no coverage on the West Humber after the split; the East Humber has limited coverage near Finch.

You'll see more coverage.

Somewhere in the ~100-130 docks left to go this year.

Next year's expansion will be announced in the fall.
 
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