[Rainforest]

From another thread ..

I do wonder if in the long-term the UTSC issue would be better solved by the Sheppard Line. Of course there is only really two ways you can accomplish this... either go across Sheppard to Morningside and then have the line dive south to either a surface level or elevated station in the parking lots on the north side of Ellesmere. The benefit of this alignment is its close to Malvern and only needs to cross the Highland Creek once. On the other hand downsides would be ridership since the corridor becomes very suburban east of Markham Road (and very industrial east of McCowan), and elevating the line through here would be an up hill battle due to the amount of push back it would receive since Sheppard has suburban development on both sides. The other option is to swing the line down to STC and then follow Ellesmere to UTSC. The upside here is that you can hit both STC and the Hospital, and it may be easier to elevate this alignment due to the lower residential development east of Markham Road so there are fewer people to fight with, and it would eliminate the need for the Ellesmere BRT thus killing two birds with one stone. Of course the downside here is the aforementioned lowered residential development which means fewer riders, it completely misses the Malvern area, and it would need to cross the Highland Creek twice.

There is a third option: along Sheppard to McCowan, then swinging to the south of the 401, with the next station north of Centennial College. Then continuing on surface / elevated next to the 401, with an elevated station over Neilson Rd. And then, a relatively short tunnel south to reach UTSC.

Those ~2 km next to the 401 (no tunnel needed) should reduce the cost. And, the demand south of the 401 is higher than the demand along Sheppard east of McCowan.

At the same time, both Line 2 and Line 4 will serve the Sheppard&McCowan interchange. Then all bus routes serving areas to the east, north, and north-east of Sheppard&McCowan, will run to that interchange and connect to both subway lines. Fewer transfers for the riders.

 

[nfitz]

From another thread ..



There is a third option: along Sheppard to McCowan, then swinging to the south of the 401, with the next station north of Centennial College. Then continuing on surface / elevated next to the 401, with an elevated station over Neilson Rd. And then, a relatively short tunnel south to reach UTSC.

Those ~2 km next to the 401 (no tunnel needed) should reduce the cost. And, the demand south of the 401 is higher than the demand along Sheppard east of McCowan.

At the same time, both Line 2 and Line 4 will serve the Sheppard&McCowan interchange. Then all bus routes serving areas to the east, north, and north-east of Sheppard&McCowan, will run to that interchange and connect to both subway lines. Fewer transfers for the riders.

Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Finally hit Centennial College.

Though I believe Ford has promised east-west transit in his new 401 tunnel - so where's that going to stop?

 

[CapitalSeven]

Though I believe Ford has promised east-west transit in his new 401 tunnel - so where's that going to stop?

In his imagination, where it belongs. I think Ford will be dead in the water within months.

 

[innsertnamehere]

In his imagination, where it belongs. I think Ford will be dead in the water within months.

like it or not he's got a mandate till 2029. After that is looking increasingly unlikely..

 

[afransen]

like it or not he's got a mandate till 2029. After that is looking increasingly unlikely..

He may get defenestrated if his party is being dragged down too much. Recent polling has PCs in third place behind LPO and NDP.

 

[christiesplits]

From another thread ..



There is a third option: along Sheppard to McCowan, then swinging to the south of the 401, with the next station north of Centennial College. Then continuing on surface / elevated next to the 401, with an elevated station over Neilson Rd. And then, a relatively short tunnel south to reach UTSC.

Those ~2 km next to the 401 (no tunnel needed) should reduce the cost. And, the demand south of the 401 is higher than the demand along Sheppard east of McCowan.

At the same time, both Line 2 and Line 4 will serve the Sheppard&McCowan interchange. Then all bus routes serving areas to the east, north, and north-east of Sheppard&McCowan, will run to that interchange and connect to both subway lines. Fewer transfers for the riders.

I really like this proposal.

 

[innsertnamehere]

He may get defenestrated if his party is being dragged down too much. Recent polling has PCs in third place behind LPO and NDP.

If that happens it probably won’t until 2028 or so, barring extreme circumstances. You don’t want to put a new leader in 3 years out from an election as you lose the advantage of the “new name bump”.

There is a reason Carney went for an election almost immediately after taking the helm.

I do think Ford’s days are numbered though. He’s done after this term. Whether the PCs salvage it with a new name or it goes to the Liberals is yet to be seen.

 

[Bordercollie]

here it belongs. I think Ford will be dead

If that happens it probably won’t until 2028 or so, barring extreme circumstances. You don’t want to put a new leader in 3 years out from an election as you lose the advantage of the “new name bump”.

There is a reason Carney went for an election almost immediately after taking the helm.

I do think Ford’s days are numbered though. He’s done after this term. Whether the PCs salvage it with a new name or it goes to the Liberals is yet to be seen.

The provincial liberals need a candidate to go against corrupt Doug Ford.

 

[Thaboss]

Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Finally hit Centennial College.

Though I believe Ford has promised east-west transit in his new 401 tunnel - so where's that going to stop?

I have zero concern that a 401 tunnel will go beyond a report at this point. Ford would need another mandate to see shovels in the ground at this point and by the looks of it, he aint gonna get it.

In his imagination, where it belongs.

One of the greatest quote I've read in a while lol

 

[Bordercollie]

I have zero concern that a 401 tunnel will go beyond a report at this point. Ford would need another mandate to see shovels in the ground at this point and by the looks of it, he aint gonna get it.


One of the greatest quote I've read in a while lol

That tunnel project is the biggest boondoggle waiting to happen

 

[north-of-anything]

That tunnel project is the biggest boondoggle waiting to happen

waiting to not happen*

 

[Bordercollie]

waiting to not happen*

A dedicated bus lane would be really beneficial. Carve out the shoulder to build a bus lane. If they could safely build shelters at off ramps that would be good. Ottawa does this in some locations.

 

[north-of-anything]

A dedicated bus lane would be really beneficial. Carve out the shoulder to build a bus lane. If they could safely build shelters at off ramps that would be good. Ottawa does this in some locations.

I remember a GO bus taking the 401 shoulders to bypass weekend traffic through Milton, so it's not like it hasn't been tried. I don't think bus priority on the shoulders is impossible on the 401, but I would posit that it's unlikely because of the question of station placement through North York and how they would connect to existing transit modes. Wilson and Oriole/Leslie would be no problem, but how does one connect to the subway on Yonge?

I'm much more confident that the super-tunnel will never happen, as opposed to a 401 transitway in general.

 

[Bordercollie]

I remember a GO bus taking the 401 shoulders to bypass weekend traffic through Milton, so it's not like it hasn't been tried. I don't think bus priority on the shoulders is impossible on the 401, but I would posit that it's unlikely because of the question of station placement through North York and how they would connect to existing transit modes. Wilson and Oriole/Leslie would be no problem, but how does one connect to the subway on Yonge?

I'm much more confident that the super-tunnel will never happen, as opposed to a 401 transitway in general.

Buses can exit at Yonge St. Go North on Yonge to Pointz and then around to Sheppard W back to Yonge St or go to Work Mills.

 

[north-of-anything]

Buses can exit at Yonge St. Go North on Yonge to Pointz and then around to Sheppard W back to Yonge St or go to Work Mills.

In my mind, a 1 km diversion from the rest of the route is only justifiable for an express bus or a long-distance GO route.

Sheppard would be my choice for the stop over York Mills, so that bus bays emptied out by the Line 4 west extension can be filled again, with stops in the eastern direction at Leslie, either or both of Vic Park/Kennedy, Scarborough Centre, Morningside, and ending at Pickering GO.