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Jonathan's Junction said:
Don't want to get too off topic- it can be continued on the Fantasy Highway thread, but having a freeway 137 is rather pointless until the Thousand Island bridges are twinned, which is unlikely to happen for another several decades until it's determined the bridges useful life is over and it needs to be replaced anyway. As for another connection to Ottawa, it probably shouldn't be another freeway coming off the 401. It would be wiser at that point to look into either turning Highway 7 into a 4 lane expressway like Highway 3 in Essex County, or some sort of partial freeway like 11 is north of Gravenhurst (assuming a full freeway is cost prohibitive).
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As the crow flies, Ottawa is 121 km from 1000 Island Bridge.
As the car drives, it's 165 km. That's not that bad - 75% efficiency. Knowing that the best-case scenario 100% is not possible.
Highway 7 does make more sense, and using the progress of Highway 400 as a guide, it will be ready about 2080.

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Westey said:
Highway 7 does make more sense, and using the progress of Highway 400 as a guide, it will be ready about 2080.
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An upgrade to 7 is obviously the lowest priority for the foreseeable future, especially once the 401 is upgraded to Kingston. In addition, there's ALTO, which will hopefully carry a sizeable chunk of the GTA-Ottawa demand in the future.
 
Westey said:
As the crow flies, Ottawa is 121 km from 1000 Island Bridge.
As the car drives, it's 165 km. That's not that bad - 75% efficiency. Knowing that the best-case scenario 100% is not possible.
Highway 7 does make more sense, and using the progress of Highway 400 as a guide, it will be ready about 2080.

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We'd have to see massive population grown by tens of millions in Ontario for that to ever happen.

Before we got that far (and we certainly aren't there yet), would be something along the highway 15 corridor from Kingston (401) to Franktown - only 85 km.

(which leads to my thoughts about the next western of Highway 7 from Carleton Place. At that point Highway 7 and 15 split, with Highway 15 going south, and Highway 7 going west, up and around the quite large Mississippi Lake. Seems to me that it would make sense for a new 7 to turn and follow the 15 corridor for 8 to 10 km towards Frankton, and then new 7 splits off the 15 and heads west roughly along Lanark Road 10 to Perth staying SOUTH Mississippi Lake. Probably shorter, easier to construct, and less inteference with those living along the existing road alignment.)
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There should have been a 400 series highway built connecting Ottawa and Kingston, running close to Carleton Place, Perth, and Smith Falls
 
nfitz said:
We'd have to see massive population grown by tens of millions in Ontario for that to ever happen.

Before we got that far (and we certainly aren't there yet), would be something along the highway 15 corridor from Kingston (401) to Franktown - only 85 km.

(which leads to my thoughts about the next western of Highway 7 from Carleton Place. At that point Highway 7 and 15 split, with Highway 15 going south, and Highway 7 going west, up and around the quite large Mississippi Lake. Seems to me that it would make sense for a new 7 to turn and follow the 15 corridor for 8 to 10 km towards Frankton, and then new 7 splits off the 15 and heads west roughly along Lanark Road 10 to Perth staying SOUTH Mississippi Lake. Probably shorter, easier to construct, and less inteference with those living along the existing road alignment.)
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I quickly measure this as 145km from the 1000 Island bridge to Ottawa - so it saves 20km. (maybe 30km it saves on the Kingston to Ottawa trip.
Let's just put it into the long-range plan.
 
MTO is out for consultation on improvements to the Highway 6/Greens Road intersection in Caledonia. This is mostly the result of development in Caledonia which is leading to increased traffic in the intersection.

Interestingly MTO does not appear interested in pursuing the extension of the Highway 6 freeway to Caledonia and will be upgrading the intersection instead.

The preferred solution has been identified as:

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Basically adding double-left turn lanes, a dedicated right turn lane on Haldimand Road 66, and expanding the curvature of the Highway 6 ramp connecting to the Caledonia Bypass.

Consultation — Highway 6 Improvements

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innsertnamehere said:
MTO is out for consultation on improvements to the Highway 6/Greens Road intersection in Caledonia. This is mostly the result of development in Caledonia which is leading to increased traffic in the intersection.

Interestingly MTO does not appear interested in pursuing the extension of the Highway 6 freeway to Caledonia and will be upgrading the intersection instead.

The preferred solution has been identified as:

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Basically adding double-left turn lanes, a dedicated right turn lane on Haldimand Road 66, and expanding the curvature of the Highway 6 ramp connecting to the Caledonia Bypass.

Consultation — Highway 6 Improvements

www.highway6greensroad.com www.highway6greensroad.com
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This is an interesting choice indeed. I recognize the MTO has been on a tighter budget as of the last decade under Ford, but Highway 6 expansion (~White Church to here, and from Upper James to the 403) seem to have had oodles of planning done to make them relatively painless projects. MTO's contol mapping implies they own the land for the southern part already.
 
It might be more political like the Six Nations going on another protesting rampage than cost if they build a new highway to benefit development near their land.
 
Steve X said:
It might be more political like the Six Nations going on another protesting rampage than cost if they build a new highway to benefit development near their land.
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Certainly a possibility. I’d still note Highway 6 takes its more westerly alignment closest to the reserve already (south of Greens Road). I don’t know when the ‘Caledonia bypass’ section was built, but It would seem the most contentious bit is already in place.
 
Steve X said:
It might be more political like the Six Nations going on another protesting rampage than cost if they build a new highway to benefit development near their land.
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My understanding is that the contested lands around Six Nations are primarily along the south side of the Grand River - the treaty on the north side isn't as disputed. It's why Empire has managed to build their large Avalon subdivision on the north side of Caledonia without issue. If anything I suspect the Six Nations would be supportive of the freeway as it would improve access to the reserve and might help support economic development.

The Bypass was built in the early 1980's back when the whole Nanticoke Industrial zone plan was still advancing. The Highway 6 freeway plan has been around for decades as it was initiated to service Nanticoke / Townsend, which never happened so it's sat on the shelf for a longggg time.

These intersection upgrades are a lot cheaper than a potential freeway extension, but a connection from Mount Hope to the Caledonia Bypass likely wouldn't be overly expensive.. a few new overpasses and two new interchanges.
 
Steve X said:
It would certainly be nice if they built a freeway to Port Dover. Wishful dreaming here.
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I hear that. 6, being a freeway from the new Highway 7 freeway in Guelph to about Concession 2 Woodhouse Rd in Port Dover, ending at a roundabout in that location, would be lovely. Guelph, Waterdown, Hamilton, Mount Hope, Caledonia, Hagersville, Jarvis, and Port Dover would all be connected by a single freeway, but I doubt it would happen. However, we all can dream, can't we?
 
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