nfitz
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Jesus f.....
Please tell me the Highway 6 Morriston bypass has gone for detailed design!
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Please tell me the Highway 6 Morriston bypass has gone for detailed design!
innsertnamehere
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Nope!
MTO only initiates it once they have actual money set aside, basically.
The Morriston bypass site shows you the status - detailed design right now is underway only for the Brock road overpass replacement.
Dreambig1
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The pace at which we build almost anything in this country is something all levels of government need to work on improving.
nfitz
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With the design contract that includes the missing ramps being 4-years long and not being planned to be complete until 2030 it's not just the construction that's the issue!
That's approaching 60 years after the pre-design started. The Globe reported on the plan for the 403 joining the QEW near Ford Drive as early as 1975!
In the 1975 they noted that this was years away ... also years away and mentioned in the article is a new GO service to Milton.
Dreambig1
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unrealWith the design contract that includes the missing ramps being 4-years long and not being planned to be complete until 2030 it's not just the construction that's the issue!
That's approaching 60 years after the pre-design started. The Globe reported on the plan for the 403 joining the QEW near Ford Drive as early as 1975!
In the 1975 they noted that this was years away ... also years away and mentioned in the article is a new GO service to Milton.
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ScreamingViking
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Just want to note that the section of what was to be the 403 the article refers to is now the 407, between the Freeman Interchange in Burlington and where the 403 and 407 meet in western Mississauga.
Interesting to me was the Ministry's exec. director of planning having an expectation of GO bi-level passenger cars being operational in 1977 and that they were viewed as the "best prospect for [traffic] relief"... not that I disagree, but it's nice to see an emphasis on transit at that point in time.
Interesting to me was the Ministry's exec. director of planning having an expectation of GO bi-level passenger cars being operational in 1977 and that they were viewed as the "best prospect for [traffic] relief"... not that I disagree, but it's nice to see an emphasis on transit at that point in time.
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nfitz
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I don't think so. The 1975 article says it links Ford Drive and QEW to the 401.
My understanding was that 403 south of Dundas to Ford Drive was intended to be renumbered if 403 was ever extended west of Ninth Line (or at least Trafalgar).
ScreamingViking
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QEW and 9th Line (Ford Drive) in the first phase; I think the intention was to have the 403 skirt the northern edge of the urban area in Burlington and Oakville to make it a true alternate to the QEW. It also notes Burlington to the 401 near the airport, though the route had changed (which I believe is the eastern end... and I think Eastgate Parkway was originally supposed to be a freeway, linking to an expanded Eglinton further east of where it does). I recall seeing some old maps with this stuff, related I think to the Parkway Belt West -- maybe a map library has them digitized and online.
Doubt it'll ever be renumbered now, maybe unless the province buys back the 407.
Also interesting was mention of extending the Queensway to Winston Churchill -- I'm sure that would have made the golfers at Mississauga G&CC and homeowners along Mississauga Rd. quite happy.
nfitz
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Both really ... but I'm not sure they are talking about the piece east of Cawthra here ... it's not even clear to me that they are talking about the east-west section of the 403 instead of the 403+407 pieces of the north-south link from QEW to 401 along Ninth Line!
But what is clear is that the current QEW/403/Ford Drive interchange is part of the scope of what's being discussed! Over a half-century ago!
ScreamingViking
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[Amended my original response]
It is definitely sad. I think there's an earth berm where a ramp from QEW westbound was supposed to go over Upper Middle Rd. to connect to the 403 NB (unless it was just a convenient place to pile excavated material).
Imagine how different travel patterns through Mississauga might be had all this been built a half-century ago. E.g., a Queensway extension may have really changed how the portions of WCB and Erin Mills Pkwy north of the QEW functioned. And building the 403's western section sooner may have changed how the 407 is routed (perhaps it would have run right down to the QEW instead of turning west through Oakville)
It is definitely sad. I think there's an earth berm where a ramp from QEW westbound was supposed to go over Upper Middle Rd. to connect to the 403 NB (unless it was just a convenient place to pile excavated material).
Imagine how different travel patterns through Mississauga might be had all this been built a half-century ago. E.g., a Queensway extension may have really changed how the portions of WCB and Erin Mills Pkwy north of the QEW functioned. And building the 403's western section sooner may have changed how the 407 is routed (perhaps it would have run right down to the QEW instead of turning west through Oakville)
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Dreambig1
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innsertnamehere
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Everything mentioned in that article happened many many years agoWith the design contract that includes the missing ramps being 4-years long and not being planned to be complete until 2030 it's not just the construction that's the issue!
That's approaching 60 years after the pre-design started. The Globe reported on the plan for the 403 joining the QEW near Ford Drive as early as 1975!
In the 1975 they noted that this was years away ... also years away and mentioned in the article is a new GO service to Milton.
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MTO does many things for the long term just to protect land.. These flyover ramps may have been "planned" since the highway was built, in order to reserve the required land area.. but that doesn't mean that MTO had any intent of building them any time soon.It's like claiming that the Bloor subway line had been planned and delayed since 1918 since the lower level was built on the Prince Edward Viaduct.. sure, they protected for a potential eventuality, but nobody was seriously thinking about building a bloor subway line in 1918.
Same here - MTO only really drew up plans for the overpass in 2013. Now they are going to have it built 20 years later. Sure, slow, but hardly 50+ years.
MTO has been underfunded on their highway ambitions for many decades at this point. Ford is finally starting to increase funding, but they operated on about $3 billion a year in capital funding for decades to do expansion and maintenance.. 2025 was the first time they really received substantially more than that.
nfitz
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I'm not sure we can say that without seeing the 1970 and 1975 plans - even if the roads discussed in that article along the 9th Line corridor were completed by the late 1990s. There was no hint in the article that they were only planning limited ramps ... and that seems even less likely with the discussion in there of running it north-south along Ninth Line compared to turning east between Burnhamthorpe and Eglinton, as they ended up doing first.Everything mentioned in that article happened many many years ago
But stuff discussed in that article still hasn't happened. Burnhamthorpe may have been extended across the Credit, but Queensway still doesn't, let alone to Winston Churchill!! QEW hasn't been expanded beyond 6 lines for much of it.
lenaitch
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As a kid working at a gas station in the 'early 1960s, we had a part-timer who was a fulltime surveyor for the MTO who was working on some fancy new highway where Woodbine Ave. was (now 404).Everything mentioned in that article happened many many years ago
It's like claiming that the Bloor subway line had been planned and delayed since 1918 since the lower level was built on the Prince Edward Viaduct.. sure, they protected for a potential eventuality, but nobody was seriously thinking about building a bloor subway line in 1918.
Same here - MTO only really drew up plans for the overpass in 2013. Now they are going to have it built 20 years later. Sure, slow, but hardly 50+ years.
MTO has been underfunded on their highway ambitions for many decades at this point. Ford is finally starting to increase funding, but they operated on about $3 billion a year in capital funding for decades to do expansion and maintenance.. 2025 was the first time they really received substantially more than that.
If you check the MTO's 'corridor management' website, there are all sorts of potential highway activity; much of which , if it even happens, nobody on here will live to see.
nfitz
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Oh no end of it.
I've got an old report - perhaps older than me - somewhere with detailed maps of the interchange of the Gardiner Expressway and Woodbine Avenue, showing all the boreholes that they drilled and soil logs ... logged by people long dead. (what a horror we were saved from ... though joining together Upper and Lower Gerrard looked cool!)