[kamira51]

Steve explained the project-stopping problem. Even if you can draw a line that minimizes damage, you're still going through an area where people will fight tooth and nail to keep a highway out. And they are of the wealthier variety- so very vocal and capable.

While I commend these environmentalists for fighting to protect the environment, I feel a large majority of them are not experiencing what the typical working person experiences,

My case is a good example, I'm a medical imaging machine installer, I work primarily in southern ontario, traveling to hospitals. I also live in Caledon so my location is very optimal because it's right near the proposed 413 route.

The company I work for pays for us to use the 407etr, it's great but the issue is trying to get to the 407 itself. I have to travel through Brampton just to get on the 407, but what if the 413 was built? Well I can avoid Bramptons core traffic and go around it completely right to the 401/407

And with traffic increasing in southern Caledon, the local roads are not going to be sufficient in 15-20 years.

Let me know what you think.

 

[PL1]

I think everyone would like personal transport from their homes to their workplace. Short of transporter beams becoming a reality, it won't happen. So the question is, will the benefits of this highway outweigh the environmental/cost/etc.? I think not, but for others it might

 

[Sunnyside]

While I commend these environmentalists for fighting to protect the environment, I feel a large majority of them are not experiencing what the typical working person experiences,

My case is a good example, I'm a medical imaging machine installer, I work primarily in southern ontario, traveling to hospitals. I also live in Caledon so my location is very optimal because it's right near the proposed 413 route.

The company I work for pays for us to use the 407etr, it's great but the issue is trying to get to the 407 itself. I have to travel through Brampton just to get on the 407, but what if the 413 was built? Well I can avoid Bramptons core traffic and go around it completely right to the 401/407

And with traffic increasing in southern Caledon, the local roads are not going to be sufficient in 15-20 years.

Let me know what you think.

I only meant going east of the 400 for that comment. If we did so, the environmental case changes quite a bit; the route is constrained only to sensitive areas with no real alternative. The 413 as planned instead has mostly-surmountable challenges that have much more flexibility in mitigation. But again, that is why we are only going to the 400…

So to more directly answer the question- yeah, your sort of use case is precisely why the 413 as planned is being pursued. That and everyone on the 401- I’ll be the first to say that if a highway can help relieve traffic in the inner GTA, the better. Now, would I prefer we incite a huge modal shift to transit? Yes, absolutely. But we are already working on that in big ways, and the 401 remains a beast unto its own, so.

 

[Allandale25]

Related to the 413, received this email today.

Hello,

I am writing to provide an update that following the consultation period, the Ministry of Transportation (MTO) and Ministry of Energy and Mines (MEM) (formerly Ministry of Energy and Electrification) have proceeded with the refinements proposed to the Focused Analysis Area (FAA) and the Narrowed Area of Interest (NAI).

We continue to work with the Independent Electricity System Operator (IESO) to identify a suitable corridor for future transmission infrastructure. Additionally, we are undertaking further analyses on our corridor study area to reflect updated electricity demand forecasts, as well as the preliminary design for Highway 413. Future design and planning work may result in further refinements to the NAI as more certainty about land use is achieved. MEM expects to undertake another round of consultation based on further refinements to the NAI.

The outcome of the study will be a recommendation on a corridor of land to be for future transmission infrastructure and protected from development for other purposes.

For those interested in reviewing the government's decision in more detail, including how public comments were considered in making this decision, please visit: https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-9453.

Sincerely,

The Northwest GTA Transmission Corridor Study Team
Ministry of Energy and Mines

Map via the ERO post: https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-9453

 

[Bojaxs]

Related to the 413, received this email today.



Map via the ERO post: https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-9453

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I know I keep bringing this up, but looking at that map, it would be such a missed opportunity if we didn't construct a freight bypass for CPKC that runs alongside the 413. It could be the first half of an eventual, all encompassing, freight bypass that would stretch around Toronto and reconnect with the existing CPKC mainline in Scarborough.

 

[nfitz]

Related to the 413, received this email today.



Map via the ERO post: https://ero.ontario.ca/notice/019-9453

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Would this new hydro corridor mean decommissioning any of the current network?

 

[urbancog]

Would this new hydro corridor mean decommissioning any of the current network?

Unlikely. IESO's problem is that the 230kV transmission lines (blue lines below) are radial lines, that aren't interconnected, and are approaching capacity. Not being interconnected means there's no alternative way to supply the area; one transmission tower collapses and the whole area loses power. The demand from new development (yellow highlighter) will exceed available capacity, so they need a way to get transmission lines nearer.

I think we're likely to see two new 230kV circuits running along the 413 corridor serving two new transmission stations (perhaps north of the Kitchener line and south of Bolton?). Ideally there would also be new connections to the existing lines to establish a network but no corridors were protected through north Brampton development so they would need to be expensive underground cables.

This map doesn't show the 500kV bulk electricity system, which doesn't directly supply local distribution companies. I don't think that would be extended along the 413.

 

[ARG1]

I know I keep bringing this up, but looking at that map, it would be such a missed opportunity if we didn't construct a freight bypass for CPKC that runs alongside the 413. It could be the first half of an eventual, all encompassing, freight bypass that would stretch around Toronto and reconnect with the existing CPKC mainline in Scarborough.

For the love of... can you stop? We've explained to you on numerous occasions why its not a good idea, and definitely wouldn't be worth the cost.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The interactive design for the highway has been updated from November 2023 to May 2025:

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

The design seems more developed than before with many refinements to the design across the corridor. The 413/401/407 interchange looks like it will be among the most complex in the GTA, and the Humber River crossing will also create the largest river crossing bridge in the GTA with two bridge structures, each about 1km long.

Based on a post on the website, MTO also appears to be proceeding with land purchases for the highway:

Ministry of Transportation Property Acquisition - Highway 413

Know how Highway 413 would save the people who use it up to 30 minutes each way. Highway 413 will deliver a better infrastructure.

highway413.ca

Land here will likely be one of the single largest costs for the project. The highway is quite land intensive with the "transitway" and runs through mostly prime development land with high land values.

 

[innsertnamehere]

https://www.raqs.merx.com/public/contract/enquiryView.jsf?id=729847993

First construction contract issued for the 413.

It's rather performative, likely so Ford can claim that the highway is "under construction". It is a $500,000 estimated cost contract to construct a berm in the 401/407 interchange to support future connecting ramps to the 413.

This contract is to build an embankment for a future interchange to connect Highways 401 and 407 to the future Highway 413.

 

[Civdis]

The interactive design for the highway has been updated from November 2023 to May 2025:

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

The design seems more developed than before with many refinements to the design across the corridor. The 413/401/407 interchange looks like it will be among the most complex in the GTA, and the Humber River crossing will also create the largest river crossing bridge in the GTA with two bridge structures, each about 1km long.

Based on a post on the website, MTO also appears to be proceeding with land purchases for the highway:

Ministry of Transportation Property Acquisition - Highway 413

Know how Highway 413 would save the people who use it up to 30 minutes each way. Highway 413 will deliver a better infrastructure.

highway413.ca

Land here will likely be one of the single largest costs for the project. The highway is quite land intensive with the "transitway" and runs through mostly prime development land with high land values.

That 401/407/413 interchange is crazy. Another 4 level stack for the GTA.

 

[JJTheJetPln]

That whole section around Heritage Road is going to be crazy. There's going to be a LOT of expropriated land if they go ahead with what they're planning on doing. That and, if they plan on plopping the 413 right through there, they may as well fund a lane expansion at that point.

I'm also confused with the transit stations... The start and end seem like a very big afterthought and are more of a concession than anything that makes sense...

The other thing is, the boundary for the proposed new structure on Bovaird West of Mississauga road is going to need to be realigned more to the west given there's already houses being built in that exact area - Unless the province is intending to exercise expropriation on that land as well.

None of this makes sense, unless the concession is land owners selling their plots to developers to build around the highways, then I don't know anymore. This whole thing just confuses me.

 

[innsertnamehere]

That whole section around Heritage Road is going to be crazy. There's going to be a LOT of expropriated land if they go ahead with what they're planning on doing. That and, if they plan on plopping the 413 right through there, they may as well fund a lane expansion at that point.

I'm also confused with the transit stations... The start and end seem like a very big afterthought and are more of a concession than anything that makes sense...

The other thing is, the boundary for the proposed new structure on Bovaird West of Mississauga road is going to need to be realigned more to the west given there's already houses being built in that exact area - Unless the province is intending to exercise expropriation on that land as well.

None of this makes sense, unless the concession is land owners selling their plots to developers to build around the highways, then I don't know anymore. This whole thing just confuses me.

The subdivision west of Mississauga Rd at Bovaird has been designed around the 413 and won''t conflict.

The 407/413/401 interchange will be another 4-stack interchange, yes. The 4th level bridge (413SB > 401/407EB) alone will be 650 metres long. Generally it seems way, way overbuilt and I wonder if MTO will shrink it back to have more embankments. None of the other major interchanges in the GTA have structures anywhere near that length.

 

[JJTheJetPln]

The subdivision west of Mississauga Rd at Bovaird has been designed around the 413 and won''t conflict.

I'm only asking because this section right here where it's highlighted and intended to have a parking lot already has houses that are nearly finished being built. Is that purple/orange boundary significant or has it already been shifted after this arcgis site was published?

 

[Steve X]

I'm only asking because this section right here where it's highlighted and intended to have a parking lot already has houses that are nearly finished being built. Is that purple/orange boundary significant or has it already been shifted after this arcgis site was published?

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They are part of the study area for environmental and other effects. The yellow dash lines is the actual ROW for the highway.