[UtakataNoAnnex]

Then again, probably not...

Farm worker dies in California ICE raid, US citizens missing, union says

One farm worker died of injuries sustained during ICE raids in California on Thursday, according to United Farm Workers.

www.newsweek.com

/bleh

 

[zang]

...meanwhile, does ICE even have a soul?:

Probably not.

Right now they’re poaching ex military and ex cops. There are only so many of those that’ll want the job. Pretty soon it’s gonna be the guys who couldn’t cut it at either; the sociopaths, militia members, white nationalists and the guys with inferiority complexes.

 

[adma]

Probably not.

Right now they’re poaching ex military and ex cops. There are only so many of those that’ll want the job. Pretty soon it’s gonna be the guys who couldn’t cut it at either; the sociopaths, militia members, white nationalists and the guys with inferiority complexes.

And critically, the Trump-friendly. For whom those characteristics are foundational to their Trump support

Essentially, a Trumptrump Macoutes.

Tonton Macoute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[zang]

And critically, the Trump-friendly. For whom those characteristics are foundational to their Trump support

Essentially, a Trumptrump Macoutes.

Tonton Macoute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course. That said, I look at white nationalist groups like Diagolon here in Canada. Its members seem to see Trump (and our own right wing politicians) as a joke, but applaud ICE and would still jump at the chance to violently evict immigrants from our country. There are some on the far right to whom Trump is too corporate, too Epstein adjacent or not right wing enough, but won't hesitate to decline the "endorsement" to remove those they think are their enemy.

Honestly, I think ICE is very Trump-friendly in its ranks already. It's those who'll feel they're going to be given permission for violence who are the scarier part.

 

[Mihairokov]

There are some on the far right to whom Trump is too corporate, too Epstein adjacent or not right wing enough, but won't hesitate to decline the "endorsement" to remove those they think are their enemy.

It's why it's actually quite bad and could get far worse than currently because Trump is merely a symptom of an inherently broken system. It's possible there is someone coming after Trump who has worse intentions and is actually politically savvier. If you give these sorts of people any space at all they'll move into it. Removing all of the checks and balances and emptying government departments simply makes it that much easier.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

Meanwhile, back at the Outhouse...

>.<

 

[kEiThZ]

Look, they don't think he meant them, he meant the other immigrants.

And this is actually a perverse upside to Trump's deportation policy. It might force them to have a grown up conversation much sooner, because it's more indiscriminate than the racists anticipated.

But also, if you live in a country for twenty years and don't get citizenship, that's on you.

 

[zang]

And this is actually a perverse upside to Trump's deportation policy. It might force them to have a grown up conversation much sooner, because it's more indiscriminate than the racists anticipated.

But also, if you live in a country for twenty years and don't get citizenship, that's on you.

The US forces you renounce all other citizenships. While wholly unenforceable outside the US, how many are actually aware of that?

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

The US forces you renounce all other citizenships. While wholly unenforceable outside the US, how many are actually aware of that?

I have always assumed the country has always been open to dual citizenship or more, like we are.

 

[PurplePinky]

You can be a dual or multiple citizen in the US.

Dual Nationality | Travel.State.gov

Understand your dual national status abroad with clear travel guidance on rights, obligations, and border requirements for two nations.

travel.state.gov

 

[Northern Light]

You can be a dual or multiple citizen in the US.

Dual Nationality | Travel.State.gov

Understand your dual national status abroad with clear travel guidance on rights, obligations, and border requirements for two nations.

travel.state.gov

You are correct, of course.

Where @zang gets that from is the opening line of the Oath taken by naturalizing U.S. Citizens (those who must apply, as opposed to birth right)

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;"

On its face, the oath would seem to preclude dual citizenship.

However, it has long been U.S. government practice to allow dual citizenship and to read the above as not binding in precluding same.

However, given that the current President is seemingly taking aim at birthright citizenship, would it surprise anyone if he considered doing the same for dual citiizens?

Certainly, the plain reading of the oath would seem to allow a different 'interpretation' of what is allowed; given the U.S. Supreme Court's tendency to prostrate itself before the current President.....

***

Surveying the data........approximately 4% of Americans are likely dual citizens, so in the range of 14 million people or so.

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

^I'm pretty sure the Presidential Loompa wants to extend that to anyone he doesn't like or disagrees with him. *Queue in Rosie...* /sigh

 

[Towered]

And this is actually a perverse upside to Trump's deportation policy. It might force them to have a grown up conversation much sooner, because it's more indiscriminate than the racists anticipated.

But also, if you live in a country for twenty years and don't get citizenship, that's on you.

A relative of mine has lived in Canada for 60 years as a PR.

 

[zang]

^I'm pretty sure the Presidential Loompa wants to extend that to anyone he doesn't like or disagrees with him. *Queue in Rosie...* /sigh

I wholly expect him to rescind that allowance at some point. A previous ban was struck down by the Supreme Court, but not this Supreme Court.

If Elon keeps ticking him off, it may come sooner than later. It's a little "softer" than fully removing his U.S. naturalization, less likely to bring anger from the MuskRats, and could get spun into a "fealty to Trump/U.S." angle by the White House.

And hey, it could force him to publicly give up his Canadian citizenship, so… Yay?

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Irish tourist jailed by Ice for months after overstaying US visit by three days: ‘Nobody is safe’​

From https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/15/irish-tourist-ice-detention

Thomas, a 35-year-old tech worker and father of three from Ireland, came to West Virginia to visit his girlfriend last fall. It was one of many trips he had taken to the US, and he was authorized to travel under a visa waiver program that allows tourists to stay in the country for 90 days.

He had planned to return to Ireland in December, but was briefly unable to fly due to a health issue, his medical records show. He was only three days overdue to leave the US when an encounter with police landed him in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) custody.

From there, what should have been a minor incident became a nightmarish ordeal: he was detained by Ice in three different facilities, ultimately spending roughly 100 days behind bars with little understanding of why he was being held – or when he’d get out.

“Nobody is safe from the system if they get pulled into it,” said Thomas, in a recent interview from his home in Ireland, a few months after his release. Thomas asked to be identified by a nickname out of fear of facing further consequences with US immigration authorities.

Despite immediately agreeing to deportation when he was first arrested, Thomas remained in Ice detention after Donald Trump took office and dramatically ramped up immigration arrests. Amid increased overcrowding in detention, Thomas was forced to spend part of his time in custody in a federal prison for criminal defendants, even though he was being held on an immigration violation.

Thomas was sent back to Ireland in March and was told he was banned from entering the US for 10 years.

Thomas’s ordeal follows a rise in reports of tourists and visitors with valid visas being detained by Ice, including from Australia, Germany, Canada and the UK. In April, an Irish woman who is a US green card holder was also detained by Ice for 17 days due to a nearly two-decade-old criminal record.

The arrests appear to be part of a broader crackdown by the Trump administration, which has pushed to deport students with alleged ties to pro-Palestinian protests; sent detainees to Guantánamo Bay and an El Salvador prison without presenting evidence of criminality; deported people to South Sudan, a war-torn country where the deportees had no ties; and escalated large-scale, militarized raids across the US.

‘I thought I was going home’​

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, Thomas detailed his ordeal and the brutal conditions he witnessed in detention that advocates say have long plagued undocumented people and become worse under Trump.

Thomas, an engineer at a tech firm, had never had any problems visiting the US under the visa waiver program. He had initially planned to return home in October, but badly tore his calf, suffered severe swelling and was having trouble walking, he said. A doctor ordered him not to travel for eight to 12 weeks due to the risk of blood clots, which, he said, meant he had to stay slightly past 8 December, when his authorization expired.

He obtained paperwork from his physician and contacted the Irish and US embassies and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to seek an extension, but it was short notice and he did not hear back, he said.

“I did everything I could with the online tools available to notify the authorities that this was happening,” he said, explaining that by the time his deadline to leave the US had approached, he was nearly healed and planning to soon return. “I thought they would understand because I had the correct paperwork. It was just a couple of days for medical reasons.”

He might have avoided immigration consequences, if it weren’t for an ill-timed law enforcement encounter.

Thomas and his girlfriend, Malone, were visiting her family in Savannah, Georgia, when Thomas suffered a mental health episode, he and Malone recalled. The two had a conflict in their hotel room and someone overheard it and called the police, they said.

Malone, who requested to use her middle name to protect her boyfriend’s identity, said she was hoping officers would get him treatment and did not want to see him face criminal charges. But police took him to jail, accusing him of “falsely imprisoning” his girlfriend in the hotel room, a charge Malone said she did not support. He was soon released on bond, but instead of walking free, was picked up by US immigration authorities, who transported him 100 miles away to an Ice processing center in Folkston, Georgia. The facility is operated by the private prison company Geo Group on behalf of Ice, with capacity to hold more than 1,000 people.

Thomas was given a two-page removal order, which said he had remained in the US three days past his authorization and contained no further allegations. On 17 December, he signed a form agreeing to be removed.

But despite signing the form he remained at Folkston, unable to get answers about why Ice wasn’t deporting him or how long he would remain in custody. David Cheng, an attorney who represented Thomas, said he requested that Ice release him with an agreement that he’d return to Ireland as planned, but Ice refused.

At one point at Folkston, after a fight broke out, officers placed detainees on lockdown for about five days, cutting them off from contacting their families, he said. Thomas said he and others only got approximately one hour of outdoor time each week.

In mid-February, after about two months in detention, officers placed him and nearly 50 other detainees in a holding cell, preparing to move them, he said: “I thought I was finally going home.” He called his family to tell them the news.

Instead, he and the others were shackled around their wrists, waists and legs and transported four hours to a federal correctional institution in Atlanta, a prison run by the US Bureau of Prisons (BoP), he said.

BoP houses criminal defendants on federal charges, but the Trump administration, as part of its efforts to expand Ice detention, has been increasingly placing immigrants into BoP facilities – a move that advocates say has led to chaos, overcrowding and violations of detainees’ rights.