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How many Canadians support this? Even Canadians of Ukrainian heritage must be able to see that their homeland is being sacrificed in the interest of the American objective to weaken Russia. There is no debate about this in Canada. Everyone seems to be of the mind that of course we are going to send billions to Ukraine because it is "the right thing to do" "everybody in NATO is doing it".


Around 71 per cent of the 1,601 people surveyed from July 26 to 28 said they support Canada and its allies standing with Ukraine as it defends itself against Russia’s invasion, which President Vladimir Putin launched in early 2022. That is compared to the 13 per cent who said they were opposed.
Clearly a lot of Canadians support Ukraine, despite what you think. What makes you think otherwise? Do you have a source?

With Carney's new $4.3 billion infusion Canada has given Zelensky almost $15 billion. Imagine what could have been done in Canada with that amount of money. We don't have money growing on trees here in Canada. We have a big housing affordability crisis in Canada.
$4.3B is like less than 1% of our annual budget.
We have a big homelessness problem in Canada and yet everyone is OK with giving Zelensky $15 billion some of which no doubt will be skimmed off so Zelensky can buy another mansion in Miami or a big mega-yacht that he can sail on when he finally flees Ukraine.
Source please.
 
We have a big homelessness problem in Canada and yet everyone is OK with giving Zelensky $15 billion some of which no doubt will be skimmed off so Zelensky can buy another mansion in Miami or a big mega-yacht that he can sail on when he finally flees Ukraine.
Let me guess, you also think Covid was planned, and believe a pizza place has a basement for the elite to drain the blood of kids.
 
Let me guess, you also think Covid was planned, and believe a pizza place has a basement for the elite to drain the blood of kids.
This user (edit: I meant EBT) is on my "don't read" list, which is a step before Ignore. Long screeds parroting talking points that are the opposite of commonly accepted norms is not the way to put forth arguments.
 
This user (edit: I meant EBT) is on my "don't read" list, which is a step before Ignore. Long screeds parroting talking points that are the opposite of commonly accepted norms is not the way to put forth arguments.
I would put them on 'ignore' but I find the posts strangely entertaining.
 
Clearly a lot of Canadians support Ukraine, despite what you think. What makes you think otherwise? Do you have a source?
I simply posed the question. I honestly did not know how much support there is for Ukraine in Canada. The fact that 76% not only support Ukraine but also see China and Iran as a threat is very disappointing and it does not reflect well on the average Canadian. Where are they getting their news? I suspect mostly from American mainstream sources.

And how does China or Iran represent threats to Canada? There is only one country that I am aware of whose leader has pledged to destroy our economy and to annex our country. You all know which country I speak of.
 
The fact that 76% not only support Ukraine but also see China and Iran as a threat is very disappointing and it does not reflect well on the average Canadian.
Maybe it reflects more poorly on you than anyone else.
And how does China or Iran represent threats to Canada?
Did you miss the last 4 years of China election interference? Or the 2 Michaels incident. What about the Iranian cyber threats? The Iranian government hiring people within Canada to execute people?
 
I simply posed the question. I honestly did not know how much support there is for Ukraine in Canada. The fact that 76% not only support Ukraine but also see China and Iran as a threat is very disappointing and it does not reflect well on the average Canadian. Where are they getting their news? I suspect mostly from American mainstream sources.

And how does China or Iran represent threats to Canada? There is only one country that I am aware of whose leader has pledged to destroy our economy and to annex our country. You all know which country I speak of.
Foreign interference is a big one:

From the CSIS report linked in the article;
“The main perpetrators of foreign interference and espionage against Canada include the PRC, India, the Russian Federation, the Islamic Republic of Iran, and Pakistan. During the past year, a number of these states, their intelligence services and other affiliated organizations engaged in a broad range of foreign interference and espionage activities to advance their objectives while undermining Canada’s national security, values, and economic prosperity.”
 
Maybe it reflects more poorly on you than anyone else.

Did you miss the last 4 years of China election interference? Or the 2 Michaels incident. What about the Iranian cyber threats? The Iranian government hiring people within Canada to execute people?
The 2 Michaels incident was a direct response to Canada arresting the daughter of the COO of Huawei, the most important company in China, and putting her under house arrest for over a year, and for what reason?

The Americans (Trump) told us to arrest her, and like a good little obedient vasal, we complied and what was her big crime? Her crime was the fact that Huawei did business with the big bad boogeyman Iran. That was it.

Canada's arrest and detention of this high-level Chinese businesswoman was a colossally stupid and unnecessary provocation that damaged relations with a country that we need to have good relations with now more than ever. China has the biggest economy in the world in terms of GDP (PPP), its economy is bigger than the US and growing ever bigger and so far, I have not seen Carney do anything to repair this relationship.

As for Chinese "election interference," I don't believe that was ever a thing. It reminds me of the fake "Russia, Russia, Russia" fake election interference in the 2016 presidential election.
 
The 2 Michaels incident was a direct response to Canada arresting the daughter of the COO of Huawei, the most important company in China, and putting her under house arrest for over a year, and for what reason?
Fraud. That's the reason. You don't seem to have an issue with China falsely accusing Canadian citizens of crimes and holding them without trial. Why would that be I wonder.
The Americans (Trump) told us to arrest her, and like a good little obedient vasal, we complied and what was her big crime? Her crime was the fact that Huawei did business with the big bad boogeyman Iran. That was it.
Fraud was her crime. She admitted to it.
Canada's arrest and detention of this high-level Chinese businesswoman was a colossally stupid and unnecessary provocation that damaged relations with a country that we need to have good relations with now more than ever.
Yes I'm sure you'd prefer if our judicial branch just picked and choose what laws and international protocols to adhere too.
As for Chinese "election interference," I don't believe that was ever a thing. It reminds me of the fake "Russia, Russia, Russia" fake election interference in the 2016 presidential election.
So you've just made up your own alternate reality, seperate from the facts, so you can continue believing the russian propaganda you've been feed.

I think you'll find not many people here have the patients for your lies.
 
I simply posed the question. I honestly did not know how much support there is for Ukraine in Canada. The fact that 76% not only support Ukraine but also see China and Iran as a threat is very disappointing and it does not reflect well on the average Canadian. Where are they getting their news? I suspect mostly from American mainstream sources.

And how does China or Iran represent threats to Canada? There is only one country that I am aware of whose leader has pledged to destroy our economy and to annex our country. You all know which country I speak of.
Perhaps Canadians value the liberal democratic order of their world more than you do? People see countries like China and Iran as threats because they are antithetical to those values in many ways.
 
I simply posed the question. I honestly did not know how much support there is for Ukraine in Canada. The fact that 76% not only support Ukraine but also see China and Iran as a threat is very disappointing and it does not reflect well on the average Canadian. Where are they getting their news? I suspect mostly from American mainstream sources.

I am ultimately an advocate for a post-national, globalist world. I don't tend to view the world in 'black and white' but in shades and hues of grey.
This would seem to make me the ideal candidate in UT terms to consider your arguments.

But you have not presented them well.

China:

- Have you missed how its treating the Uigurs?

- Did you noted the lasted tariff on Canadian Canola?

- Did you consider China's longstanding reputation for IP theft and industrial espionage?

- Or their longstanding violations of International trade norms, including repeated dumping?

China is not 'evil'. But to portray it as a country that we should have no concerns over is at least one step too far in the other direction

Iran:

- A theocratic state which has been an unabashed supporter of terrorism, which has been a chief patron of Hamas, the Houthis, and Hezbollah.

- A country which holds a large number of political prisoners, many in notoriously bad conditions and has practiced torture in the past. This is not merely propaganda, a number of Iranians (and foreigners)
have gone into Iranian prisons and never returned.

- A nation-state which gave us the Iran-Iraq War, has antagonized the Saudis, supported a ruthless dictator in Syria, destabilized Lebanon.

For all that, Iran isn' evil, it has modern cities, advanced science, is often more liberal in practice that high profile incidents suggest, and its people were not known for inherent belligerence before the current regime.

But is Iran someone who Canada should see a potential partner and ally in the world, even if the U.S. didn't see them as an enemy? Surely not.

There is only one country that I am aware of whose leader has pledged to destroy our economy and to annex our country. You all know which country I speak of.

Regardless of the U.S. President, and whether trade or other relations are mostly amicable, the U.S., militarily, in unquestionably, the largest potential threat to Canada.
But its also a threat that Canada cannot equal, we cannot size up our military to the point where we could seriously repel a U.S. invasion, if such a thing ever came to be.
As such, it behooves our nation to get along w/them, if only for the sake of peace.

Beyond that, however, they are a rich country, and the largest natural market for our goods and services on a shared continent, and a logical supplier to our market as well.
That offers potential benefits that far exceed those Iran, Russia or China could put on offer. That may change, eventually, but not anytime soon.

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Despite all the belligerent talk from the current holder of the White House, the effective tariff rate on Canadian goods and services is less than 3% which is likely the lowest of any other major country in the world right now.
So while the spectacle/theatre is indeed insulting.........the substance is much less so, and much more important.
 
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Did you miss the last 4 years of China election interference? Or the 2 Michaels incident.
Just as a note, the two Michaels were only taken in after we arrested and extradited Meng Wanzhou at the behest of the Americans, and they were subsequently released once Meng was released on our end. It went so well for us that Spavor sued the feds and settled for $7M over the whole affair.
 
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Just as a note, the two Michaels were only taken in after we arrested and extradited Meng Wanzhou at the behest of the Americans, and they were subsequently released once Meng was released on our end.
They released her because she cut a deal with the Americans. Not sure why we're excusing China here for illegally detaining citizens in retaliation for a perfectly legal extradition request.
It went so well for us that Spavor sued the feds and settled for $7M over the whole affair.
The government should have not settled.
 
I simply posed the question. I honestly did not know how much support there is for Ukraine in Canada. The fact that 76% not only support Ukraine but also see China and Iran as a threat is very disappointing and it does not reflect well on the average Canadian. Where are they getting their news? I suspect mostly from American mainstream sources.

And how does China or Iran represent threats to Canada? There is only one country that I am aware of whose leader has pledged to destroy our economy and to annex our country. You all know which country I speak of.
I think we all know that the US is also much less popular these days.
 

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