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You should know better than all/most that highly conceptual early/funding stage designs for major projects are just placeholders and while the concept might be retained, they are often materially different once architects/designers/funders get into SD/DD.
Ian, you and the IceCreamMan both agreed that it would be a scaled down version from the rendering based on the printed words of your posts... all I said was let's wait and see instead of assuming that it will be scaled down. Based on my review of the NorQuest program it seems if anything it may be scaled up. You don't know; I don't know -- so why assume the worst as a default position.
 
^ And my point is why state anything at all... it's kind of in the ilk of "Nice day if it doesn't rain". The possibilities range from "we decided not build anything at all" to "we misread our needs and the building has to be 15 storeys after all" It was the "The final product will likely be scaled down in size" comment that set off my negativity radar. The point being that it might just as well be scaled up in size. Some Edmontonians are so quick to tear down positivity. On a site that is supposed to be progressive (it's in the name "Skyrise"; 'twould be different if the name was "Sky'sfallin'") it stands out in contrast to what could be.

Now that my rant is done -- please do have a nice day and enjoy your cereal (if there isn't a dead mouse in the bowl).
 
Sorry archited, not trying to piss you off, and didn't intend to - but I stand by my statement. It's not rooted in negativty either, just realism and precedence. Have heard down the grapevine it may be scaled down a bit... but I suppose we shall see in the end. You can be 'progressive' on here, absolutely, and you should be (everyone should) - but that isn't a mutually exclusive term with realism. Both can exist. I just want people to understand not to get too emotionally attached to that conceptual rendering from a master plan, and I think most people on here understand that.
 
^ I am not "pissed off" just musing about why many people in Edmonton have to "default" to the negative.
I asked this question of Google AI and the response was interesting...
Here's the wording of my question: what can be said about a person who claims to never be negative just realistic?
And here is the response:
A person who claims to "never be negative, just realistic"
may be exhibiting several traits or psychological tendencies. This statement often serves as a self-justification for a pragmatic, cautious, or even pessimistic approach to life, while attempting to avoid the social stigma associated with negativity [2].
Several things can be said about such an individual:

Characteristics and Traits
  • Self-Perception: They genuinely see themselves as objective and level-headed [2]. They likely believe they are simply evaluating situations based purely on facts and logic, free from emotional bias [2].
  • Pragmatism and Caution: They may lean heavily towards cautious and practical thinking. They focus on potential obstacles and worst-case scenarios, believing this is a responsible way to anticipate problems and prepare [2].
  • Defense Mechanism: This claim can be a defense mechanism to deflect criticism about their attitude. By labeling their perspective as "realistic," they are implicitly suggesting that others who are more optimistic are naive or irrational [2].
  • Risk Aversion: They might be highly risk-averse. Focusing on potential negative outcomes is a way for them to manage anxiety about uncertainty and potential failure.
  • Potential for Pessimism: While they reject the "negative" label, their perspective may align with psychological definitions of pessimism. They might consistently focus on the less favorable aspects of a situation [2].


Implications for Interaction
  • Conflict with Optimists: They may frequently clash with more optimistic individuals, whom they might perceive as being in denial or having "rose-colored glasses" [2].
  • Difficulty with Idealism: They may struggle to appreciate or engage with idealistic ideas, creative brainstorming, or "big picture" thinking that involves a degree of positive assumption.
  • Perceived as a "Downer": Despite their self-perception, others may still perceive them as draining or unsupportive because they often focus on what could go wrong rather than what could go right.
In essence, the phrase highlights a person who equates a cautious, outcome-oriented, and potentially pessimistic viewpoint with truth and objectivity, while dismissing optimism as unrealistic [2].

In my own world, when I am interviewing a potential hire I look to people with aesthetically rich outlooks and that keep striving for the best outcomes for projects and their clients; there is not much "joy" in references to less-than solutions.

Go with what you will, I have no problem with you personally so there is no need to apologize to me.
 
With a little time on my hands while taking the opportunity to devour my lunch I decided to go back and compare rendering to final result for the NorQuest Singhmar Centre also a product of GEC Architects with a before rendering and actual end result photos. With exception of a few upgrades, the end result building is essentially identical to the rendering. The upgrades include: 1. a more elaborate entry canopy where the two buildings join together, 2. a more elaborate window detail on the pop-out element facing 108th Street (a corner window much more complex than the flat window in the rendering, 3. More elaborate signage on the building facade, and 4. more expressive finish materials on the building overall (but that may be just a failing of renderings to highlight high quality finishes). To my point these are all upgrades from the rendering. I know for certain that GEC renderings are produced in-house sourced from meticulously planned interiors from well-developed programming -- would that other architects spent time trying to perfect their design efforts as much as GEC does.
First the rendering...
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And then two photographic views of the completed structure...
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