[urbancog]

In case there's doubt that ETCS can be installed on legacy rolling stock, this is Hitachi Rail's ETCS user interface on the Class A1 Tornado steam locomotive. This will allow it to continue operating on the UK East Coast Mainline under in-cab signaling when the line becomes ETCS controlled under the East Coast Digital program. Article here.

 

[Urban Sky]

In case there's doubt that ETCS can be installed on legacy rolling stock, this is Hitachi Rail's ETCS user interface on the Class A1 Tornado steam locomotive. This will allow it to continue operating on the UK East Coast Mainline under in-cab signaling when the line becomes ETCS controlled under the East Coast Digital program. Article here.
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Nazi-Germany equipped steam locomotives in the 1930s with the kind of Train Control System which would have presumably prevented deadly accidents like the Hinton (1986) or Aldershot (2012) derailments:

Indusi – Wikipedia

de.wikipedia.org

 

[nfitz]

Nazi-Germany equipped steam locomotives in the 1930s with the kind of Train Control System which would have presumably prevented deadly accidents like the Hinton (1986) or Aldershot (2012) derailments:

Good to know that Germany was making sure that all the German citizens they were shipping to immigration detention centres weren't injured in train accidents ...

 

[Northern Light]

Good to know that Germany was making sure that all the German citizens they were shipping to immigration detention centres weren't injured in train accidents ...

That, of course, was not the point of his post.

 

[nfitz]

That, of course, was not the point of his post.

There were non-Nazi examples dating back to the turn of the century. http://www.gwr.org.uk/notes/P_206.pdf

 

[Urban Sky]

There were non-Nazi examples dating back to the turn of the century. http://www.gwr.org.uk/notes/P_206.pdf

That‘s not surprising (I just happen to be more familiar with German rail history - including, of course, the horrific role these railroads played as logistical enablers during the Holocaust), but it still contrasts uncomfortably with North American railroad operations in the 21st century…

 

[Northern Light]

There were non-Nazi examples dating back to the turn of the century. http://www.gwr.org.uk/notes/P_206.pdf

The poster in question is from Germany, originally, and speaks German and is a subject matter expert in railways.

Even were it otherwise, I don't find fault with a factual example. But in light of the above, it seems entirely reasonable.

The post did not glorify Nazism in anyway, nor the regime in question or its members. It simply made a factual statement about the technology in place in Germany during said period.

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Employing your apparent standard on whether anything can be said about a place where bad things were happening that might be inferred as having the remotest positive connotation...

Can we can no longer discuss any invention in the U.S. that originated during the age of slavery? While I grant, awful as slavery was, the death toll was far less than WWII; but still it was in the millions even prior to the U.S. Civil War.

Annual number of slaves brought from Africa to the Americas 1501-1866| Statista

Between 1501 and 1866, it is estimated that over 12.5 million people were forced onto ships in Africa, and transported to the Americas as slaves.

www.statista.com

How many other nations are on the banned list of places you can't cite advancements or wise ideas from because something terrible happened there?

That type of censorship isn't reasonable.

 

[nfitz]

The post did not glorify Nazism in anyway, nor the regime in question or its members. It simply made a factual statement about the technology in place in Germany during said period.

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Employing your apparent standard on whether anything can be said about a place where bad things were happening that might be inferred as having the remotest positive connotation...

Can we can no longer discuss any invention in the U.S. that originated during the age of slavery? While I grant, awful as slavery was, the death toll was far less than WWII; but still it was in the millions even prior to the U.S. Civil War.

Annual number of slaves brought from Africa to the Americas 1501-1866| Statista

Between 1501 and 1866, it is estimated that over 12.5 million people were forced onto ships in Africa, and transported to the Americas as slaves.

www.statista.com

How many other nations are on the banned list of places you can't cite advancements or wise ideas from because something terrible happened there?

That type of censorship isn't reasonable.

???? I never said it glorified Nazism or anything like that. You are reading a lot about a sarcastic and ironic comment about what the OP pointed out themselves was a Nazi policy, from the very same time period.

I don't know why you are so adamant that one can't ridicule Nazis. I'm all in favour of not making comments about ethnicities ... but I see no issues with ridiculing actual fascists, given the horrors that were inflicted on us, and our families.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

This really isn't a thread about Nazis.

MoD

 

[rbt]

In case there's doubt that ETCS can be installed on legacy rolling stock, this is Hitachi Rail's ETCS user interface on the Class A1 Tornado steam locomotive. This will allow it to continue operating on the UK East Coast Mainline under in-cab signaling when the line becomes ETCS controlled under the East Coast Digital program. Article here.
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Do they mention how it's powered? Do they plug in to charge a battery bank or do they have a tiny onboard steam turbine?

 

[urbancog]

Do they mention how it's powered?

Can't find any reference to how electric power is provided. The facts page focuses on mechanical stats.

There must already be a source of electrical power because there a LED lights and earlier spec train control systems (Automatic Warning System, Train Protection and Warning System, and GSM-R radio) to power. See the Wikipedia page, "Changes from the original Peppercorn A1s" section.

 

[smallspy]

Do they mention how it's powered? Do they plug in to charge a battery bank or do they have a tiny onboard steam turbine?

There have been other articles published in the past days on this which thankfully provide far more detail about the install than this one did. They've had to install an axle-mounted generator and a second dynamo to back up the original single dynamo required for the very limited electrical power needed for the loco previously. There are a third bank of batteries that have been installed as well.

ETCS tested on steam locomotive

UK: Testing is underway with what is thought to be the first installation of European Train Control System equipment on an operational steam locomotive, as part of a plan to secure the long-term future of heritage traction operation on the national rail network.

www.railwaygazette.com

Dan

 

[urbancog]

Metrolinx has job listing for "Director, Specialized Delivery", which seems to be an in-house lead for a major new signalling program. Duties include:

• Providing strategic and tactical leadership and direction to the project delivery team to deliver large-scale signalling capital railway infrastructure projects throughout the GO rail corridors.
• Leading the strategic project planning for signalling projects, including, design, staging, and tendering of commuter rail infrastructure that integrates and expands upon existing GO Transit and municipal services and operations; directs the creation of a phasing plan to identify optimal sequencing of infrastructure and service construction and deployment.
• Directing and coordinating the delivery of signalling projects encompassing design, construction, commissioning, and deployment into operational service in accordance with Metrolinx standards, technical standards, corporate project management standards, procedures, controls, and environmental requirements to minimize the impact on service and to maintain a high level of customer service.
• Overseeing alternative service concept development while incorporating current and future infrastructure requirements to ensure seamless introduction of new services.

Is this replacement of DB with an in-house team for "service concept development" and the signalling required to support the services?

 

[afransen]

Does this mean MX is abandoning ETCS?

 

[TOtramz]

Metrolinx has job listing for "Director, Specialized Delivery", which seems to be an in-house lead for a major new signalling program. Duties include:

• Providing strategic and tactical leadership and direction to the project delivery team to deliver large-scale signalling capital railway infrastructure projects throughout the GO rail corridors.
• Leading the strategic project planning for signalling projects, including, design, staging, and tendering of commuter rail infrastructure that integrates and expands upon existing GO Transit and municipal services and operations; directs the creation of a phasing plan to identify optimal sequencing of infrastructure and service construction and deployment.
• Directing and coordinating the delivery of signalling projects encompassing design, construction, commissioning, and deployment into operational service in accordance with Metrolinx standards, technical standards, corporate project management standards, procedures, controls, and environmental requirements to minimize the impact on service and to maintain a high level of customer service.
• Overseeing alternative service concept development while incorporating current and future infrastructure requirements to ensure seamless introduction of new services.

Is this replacement of DB with an in-house team for "service concept development" and the signalling required to support the services?

Just a heads up the link attempts to make you sign in as Peter Norman Smith