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Just a case of people who can’t be talked out of a terrible opinion, actively undermining their own neighbourhood’s success. And just illogical arguments. Pardon the possibly weak analogy but: “Your espresso machine was manufactured wrong (only dispenses hot water, spews boiling water if you try to make espresso) so we’re gonna fix it so it functions properly!” “NO DO NOT, there’s no point! Nobody even makes espresso with it anyways! You’re destructing our espresso machine!” Idk lol that’s what this feels like to me
 
Why are we allowing new subdivisions to be built to the minimum standard roadway and sidewalk designs without much thought for multi modal transportation? That should be a bare minimum. Want to sprawl? Fine, but we expect the same level of design as our renewed suburban neighbourhoods.
 
There's very little demand for it in the suburbs. Would have low users and wouldn't be an efficient use of public funds.
 
Is it the land developers or the city through property levies that are responsible to build that initial road network? I disagree that there would be little demand. Even if most of their tasks have to be done by car, people love to walk and cycle around neighbourhoods evenings and weekends. Older kids go to school on their own. Habits that can start early. My kids aren't huge into cycling as a means, they prefer shredding down hills (and mountains, they wish we were still living in Kelowna), but they use transit to get their bikes to those hills.
 
Shouldn't there be a process set up for a proper petition and then possible vote on this in neighbourhoods where this seems to be an issue, along side our upcoming municipal election?
 
^ there is a long and detailed consultation process complete with surveys and opportunities to "vote" on options presented. Here in my neighbourhood it has been ongoing for the last year.
 
I suppose then it could be argued there is a long a detailed consultation process for everything the city does, so we really don't need civic votes or elections either.

It seems to me the best way to resolve something like this is by a clear vote that can include everyone in the area not just those who show up to a consultation event or respond to some related surveys.
 
David A said:
I suppose then it could be argued there is a long a detailed consultation process for everything the city does, so we really don't need civic votes or elections either.

It seems to me the best way to resolve something like this is by a clear vote that can include everyone in the area not just those who show up to a consultation event or respond to some related surveys.
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Most people have no interest in civic planning. An all-encompassing feedback process would also be hideously expensive.

I live in a neighborhood renewal area and I've been given pretty extensive opportunities to engage with the City's consultation.
 
I feel it is the current supposedly long detailed consultation process that either isn't working, is hideously expensive or maybe both.

So just settle this by a vote, unless the city is afraid of the feedback it may get from the people who live there.
 
David A said:
I feel it is the current supposedly long detailed consultation process that either isn't working, is hideously expensive or maybe both.

So just settle this by a vote, unless the city is afraid of the feedback it may get from the people who live there.
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I wonder if the city went the route you are advocating, if the next step would be neighbourhood votes on what to do with school surplus sites or neighbourhood votes on zoning bylaw renewal in a community? Not sure what kind of precedent neighbourhood votes might set.
 
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