evandyk
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Ontario has allowed this for a while for wine, but the restaurant needs to be able to "recork" the wine, and I'm not sure how strenuous the test for "recorking" is if it's not a twist-off.
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afransen
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That's great. Retail availability is still spotty in my experience.One of the absolute legends of craft beer went to Texas (from Belgium, where he had revived brewing in Hoegaarden) to open his brewery. Austin is a mecca for any beer enthusiast.
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gabe
Senior Member
I think Pennsylvania is one of the worst states to buy beer. I think they relaxed laws a bit in recent years, but It's actually rather difficult to buy beer in some towns in PA. In PA the liquor stores are state run and don't carry beer. You need to go to a beer distributor, they don't carry six packs, only cases! So if you want a six pack or less you need to go to a bar or restaurant that has the the license to sell beer to go. Which can be pretty damn expensive! I wanted three different six pack at a bar in Harrisburg. I think they can only sell two six packs per visit. So bartender said. Take these two six packs walk to the public sidewalk and come back and we can sell another six pack, which is legal. But selling three packs at once is illegal! LOL
My friend lives in the Philly area. He goes to NJ or NY state to buy craft beer.
Bayer
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Exactly! My husband comes from there and I spent half of my time in Pittsburgh for several years until he could immigrate here. There was a beer/tobacco store nearby and indeed you had to buy a 24. But they had a lot of craft beer, including from Québec, which was surprising for a non-descript store located in a strip mall in suburban Pittsburgh. Also the dreary, fluorescent-lit wine/liquor store they had in the same strip mall had a pretty dismal wine selection.
Northern Light
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Beer Store news:
Two more Toronto locations to shutter.
761 Queen West (Euclid), just east of Trinity Belwoods
1270 Woodbine, about mid-way between Mortimer and Cosburn.
Two more Toronto locations to shutter.
761 Queen West (Euclid), just east of Trinity Belwoods
1270 Woodbine, about mid-way between Mortimer and Cosburn.
Northern Light
Superstar
LCBO news:
The LCBO's CEO announced a new ordering portal for consumers and retailers.
canadiangrocer.com
He also took it on the chin from retailers for how slow they are in listing new products. Costco noted delays of six months.
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Meanwhile, Canadian wine sales are surging amid the tariff spat.
Sales are up 19% year over year.
The LCBO will be listing 30 additional VQA wines from May to August to meet demand.
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On the above, good as far as it goes, but the target should be 130 new listings from Ontario alone; and another 90 from BC, and at least two dozen from Nova Scotia.
The LCBO's CEO announced a new ordering portal for consumers and retailers.
LCBO looks to improve ordering experience for convenience stores, grocers
Agency also introducing new portal called LCBO Gateway
canadiangrocer.com
He also took it on the chin from retailers for how slow they are in listing new products. Costco noted delays of six months.
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Meanwhile, Canadian wine sales are surging amid the tariff spat.
Sales are up 19% year over year.
The LCBO will be listing 30 additional VQA wines from May to August to meet demand.
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On the above, good as far as it goes, but the target should be 130 new listings from Ontario alone; and another 90 from BC, and at least two dozen from Nova Scotia.
PL1
Senior Member
The Woodbine location has parking, which is convenient for returning empties. It's about equidistant for me to the location at Greenwood and Danforth. I was surprised how quickly the one at O'Connor and Donlands closed (perhaps beginning of March).
Clearly the Beer Store business model doesn't work in the new retail landscape. The province will have to ensure bottle and cans can be returned to more sites. As we've discussed and will continue to discuss.
Northern Light
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I don't think their proposed model with grocery stores is particularly likely to work, right now.
They'll both need to exempt more small'ish stores.......and more richly incent larger ones. I think they'll either have to pay the stores to manage waste on their behalf; or, they'll have to do what amounts to the same thing by substantially lowering the wholesale cost of booze, such that its sufficiently lucrative to justify the hassle. I don't see how that could be a penny under a 20% licensee discount (currently 10%), even then, there's barely any profit in it.
Other provinces have generally gone the voluntary, and pay for service route with retailers.
Strictly for recycling, as opposed to re-use, I wish people would just use the blue box, it would be more efficient.
That said, compliance rates seem to be underwhelming.
Towered
Superstar
I don't get the whole point of returning empties - why not just toss them in the blue bin?
Richard White
Senior Member
Have you not seen Seinfeld?
PL1
Senior Member
Money, money, money, money. Money! (Hear the song in your head for this)
(I appreciate that it's not a lot, but I don't give my deposit away)
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gabe
Senior Member
Because you are throwing money away! I stock pile my empties in the garden shed from the parties we have. I usually get 50 to 60 dollars back a year. That's a lot of money to throw away in the blue bin. Maybe you're rich and don't care. But for people like me every dollar helps.
But returning empties is a pain. I only go if i have a large stock. And why is it just alcohol bottles/cans? Why not pop or juice jugs? How Ontario doesn't have a bottle deposit program like BC and everywhere else in the modern world still boggles me. Ontario and Manitoba are the only provinces WITHOUT deposit return programs in Canada.
lenaitch
Senior Member
That's what we do. For the little bit we drink, I'm not stockpiling it up until it makes for a worthwhile trip.
Northern Light
Superstar
I think he gets that part.
The implicit question though is why is any financial incentive required when the inherent task (recycle not reuse) is just throw into blue bin on right or black bin on left?
I mean this is pretty low effort stuff........does it really require 10c or 20c or 30c per container to get it done properly?
The answer may be yes, but if it is, we really need to do something about the gene pool. This is not hard.
gabe
Senior Member
Ask yourself why the rest of the modern isn't copying Ontario's system? Because it does it work! Blue bins are not as environmentally friendly as you think. Ontario ranks in last place (vs Canadian provinces and territories) when it comes to keeping recyclable materials out of landfills. Having a deposit system would help keep cans/bottles and other products out of our already overcrowded landfills.
Pop bottles, not landfills: Alberta leads Canada in returns
Alberta has reclaimed the top spot in Canada for beverage container recycling, just as the province rolls out a new system to overhaul how other household waste is collected and paid for. Albertans returned more than two billion beverage containers in 2024, reaching an 85 per cent return rate —...
www.discoverairdrie.com
Norway leads the world! All thanks to their deposit return system. I had friends visiting from Norway last year, they couldn't believe we threw our bottles and cans in the blue bins. They were actually disguised how bad we were at recycling.