[narduch]

You are referencing one specific situation and ignoring a plethora of others. I drive from Barrie to downtown all of the time. I would love to head south on the 400, scoot across the new bypass to 404 and head south to downtown via the DVP thereby avoiding the 401 entirely.

This is why I know you are posting on vibes and not reality.

That stretch is pretty brutal.

 

[nfitz]

As I mentioned above this is wishful thinking. Nobody that is already near the 400 and has to get to a northern destination near the 400 is driving to the 404. They will use Jane or 27 or Weston or something else

They'll use whatever Google Maps or whatever says is fastest. I've used 407 from near Gerrard Street before instead of the Gardiner/QEW because it was going to be 15-minutes faster, with nightmare traffic.

You can cherry pick routes that it won't work. That doesn't mean it isn't going to be a great route for many trips. Do you never use Highway 9 or Highway 86?

I have no doubt that this highway will be better use than Highway 418.

 

[narduch]

They'll use whatever Google Maps or whatever says is fastest. I've used 407 from near Gerrard Street before instead of the Gardiner/QEW because it was going to be 15-minutes faster, with nightmare traffic.

You can cherry pick routes that it won't work. That doesn't mean it isn't going to be a great route for many trips. Do you never use Highway 9 or Highway 86?

I have no doubt that this highway will be better use than Highway 418.

I drive all over the GTA for work.

This highway is a luxury and is being built on environmentally fragile land.

Sometimes I wonder where the Urban is on Urban Toronto. We have so many threads where people will defend to the tilt anti-urban projects.

 

[nfitz]

I drive all over the GTA for work.

This highway is a luxury and is being built on environmentally fragile land.

Sometimes I wonder where the Urban is on Urban Toronto. We have so many threads where people will defend to the tilt anti-urban projects.

If we were really that concerned about the environmentally sensitive Holland Marsh, we'd buy out all the farms, shut down agriculture, and restore it to it's natural state; which should significantly help Lake Simcoe water quality.

A simple relatively narrow road corridor isn't going to make much difference - heck the amount of existing agriculture it will remove may may even help mitigate the small amount of damage.

Where's the urban? It's not in 905 ... that's suburban and sub-suburban.

We've been talking about this particular project since the 1960s, with the government first announcing it in the 1970s. It's not like the recent projects such as 413.

 

[Civdis]

I drive all over the GTA for work.

This highway is a luxury and is being built on environmentally fragile land.

Sometimes I wonder where the Urban is on Urban Toronto. We have so many threads where people will defend to the tilt anti-urban projects.

This comment is so dogmatic. The area this highway is to be built in is not urban in any way. Trust me, I am an urbanist hence the reason I joined this site 18 years ago, but I'm not dogmatic about it. We need a diverse transportation system.

 

[Jonathan's Junction]

Sometimes I wonder where the Urban is on Urban Toronto. We have so many threads where people will defend to the tilt anti-urban projects.

It's seems a bit disingenuous when people make these sort of claims. I'm not sure what urban metropolis you envision Bradford to be, and on the flipside, I can very much argue that through traffic is making Bradford worse of a place than a freeway bypass will. Just because it is a freeway does not mean it is inherently evil, some of the most freeway dense places in the world are also have some of the best urbanism. And some places with super high freeway densities also suck.
The reality is, if you are more concerned with what comes after the freeway than the freeway itself, it would be far more beneficial to advocate for policies that actually fix the issue (higher target densities, mixed use developments, growth management strategies, etc.). And not to mention, our standards are actually pretty decent for modern developments in Ontario. The reason the worst of American sprawl exists is not entirely because they built roads, it is because attempts at proper planning back then were shoddy at best. Hate to say it, but so long as our population is growing, we still need to build things.

 

[AntonioDavid1]

What’s the progress on the western section of the Bradford Bypass

 

[innsertnamehere]

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

BRADFORD — The Ontario government has begun major construction on the Bradford Bypass, marking a significant milestone in the province’s plan to fight gridlock and shorten travel times across York Region and Simcoe County by up to 35 minutes. Construction of the new four-lane highway will support 2,200 jobs annually and contribute up to $286 million to Ontario’s GDP.
“With major construction underway on the Bradford Bypass, we’ve reached a historic milestone in our plan to give relief to commuters from some of the most congested highways in North America,” said Premier Doug Ford. “We will continue to invest in our $236 billion plan to build, including the Bradford Bypass, Highway 413 and the 401 tunnel, saving drivers and businesses across Ontario time and money.”
Crews have broken ground on the west section of the Bradford Bypass at Sideroad 10, where work is beginning to build the divided highway from west of Artesian Industrial Parkway to Highway 400. The work includes building interchanges at Sideroad 10 and County Road 4, replacing the bridge at Highway 400 and Line 9 and adding a new freeway-to-freeway interchange connecting the Bradford Bypass to Highway 400. Once complete, the 16.3-kilometre highway will run from Highway 400 in the west to Highway 404 in the east.

• The Ontario government also announced today that the Bradford Bypass will be designated as Highway 425.
• The Miller Group has been awarded the construction contract for the west section of the Bradford Bypass.
• Crews have completed tree clearing along the west section of the Bradford Bypass and built a temporary detour at Sideroad 10 to support construction of the new bridge and interchange.
• The Bradford Bypass will help address population growth and increasing travel demand in York Region and Simcoe County. York Region’s population is expected to reach 1.8 million by 2041, while Simcoe County’s population is expected to reach 416,000 by 2031.

Mods - Perhaps time to rename the thread here to:

Highway 425 (Bradford Bypass) | MTO​

 

[nfitz]

An interesting numbering choice. I don't recall them breaking so far out of sequence before, without a good reason (427 being after 27, 417 being after 17, 416 being after 16). Well, I guess 418 ... could have been 414 ...

 

[ethan.l.cecc]

Interesintg. I think it's using the apparent bypass numbering system of adding 6 for each one (original bypass: 401; tolled bypass: 407; new bypass: 413) but skipping 419, presumably to allow for a future highway between the two, it's about 25km (hmm...) north of the 413, which is only 12-13 km north of the 407, and the 407 is just over 7km north of the 401 (all measured along hwy 400 for reference). So, ignoring the weird pattern of distances matching the digits, this is the largest gap, so it makes sense if they want to reserve space for an "infill" highway

 

[Dreambig1]

Well, so much for hoping for my 414 designation. oh well

 

[cryogen]

You could say, they bypassed quite a few numbers

 

[Dreambig1]

Once the 413 and 425 are built, I wonder what the next 400 series highway will be up to be built.

 

[nfitz]

Interesintg. I think it's using the apparent bypass numbering system of adding 6 for each one (original bypass: 401; tolled bypass: 407; new bypass: 413) but skipping 419, presumably to allow for a future highway between the two, it's about 25km (hmm...) north of the 413, which is only 12-13 km north of the 407, and the 407 is just over 7km north of the 401 (all measured along hwy 400 for reference). So, ignoring the weird pattern of distances matching the digits, this is the largest gap, so it makes sense if they want to reserve space for an "infill" highway

I assume this is humour (with the adding 6 thing) - about potentially all of highway numbering, us highway geeks, and numerology? But then I'm not sure ...

(some placeholders are obvious, like 408, 411, 415, etc. ... mind you so should have been 406).

Once the 413 and 425 are built, I wonder what the next 400 series highway will be up to be built.

Probably stuff we already know about (and even built) like new 7 between Kitchener and Guelph, new 7 from the 417 to Carleton Place. Hanlon, 115 from 407 to Peterborough, highway 11, etc.

 

[innsertnamehere]

I assume this is humour (with the adding 6 thing) - about potentially all of highway numbering, us highway geeks, and numerology? But then I'm not sure ...

(some placeholders are obvious, like 408, 411, 415, etc. ... mind you so should have been 406).

Probably stuff we already know about (and even built) like new 7 between Kitchener and Guelph, new 7 from the 417 to Carleton Place. Hanlon, 115 from 407 to Peterborough, highway 11, etc.

A lot of those aren’t planned to be 400-series roads, or are extensions of existing 400-series roads.

MTO doesn’t really have any plans for new 400-series highways other than the 413 and 425 at this point, unless they want to start designating other corridors as such. The only other one is the Mid-Penn Highway, and MTO has no real interest in that either.

I think we’ll see a while of focusing on expanding existing freeways for a while after those two.