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Not my intention to troll at all but it becomes a question of if you can make money moving those passengers. A profitable route is kept by airlines. Westjet's abandonment indicates that while they may have had the volume component- and i really don't know what the load factors were - clearly the profitability piece was missing. I'm only going by memory but I recall when they started eastern ops they came to Hamilton (maybe 2002?) but then served YYZ not too long afterward and certainly were at YYZ by 2004.

Almost every aircraft type has been thrown at YHM over years from Jetstream 31s, SF340s, 727s, any flavour of 737, A32X, 767s and now E295s. Nobody has found that magic path to profitability yet be it short haul, transborder, transcon or transatlantic. In that business the speed at which money can be lost is breathtaking. Doesn't matter if it is 132 seats or 189 seats per plane if you are selling that seat below your cost.
 
I do think that YYZ has acted like an 800lb gorilla on the Hamilton market.
Buffalo certainly doesn't help either. If someone's going to drive down the QEW because it's cheaper to fly out of YHM, there's a big incentive to just keep going and cross over the border.
Not my intention to troll at all but it becomes a question of if you can make money moving those passengers. A profitable route is kept by airlines. Westjet's abandonment indicates that while they may have had the volume component- and i really don't know what the load factors were - clearly the profitability piece was missing. I'm only going by memory but I recall when they started eastern ops they came to Hamilton (maybe 2002?) but then served YYZ not too long afterward and certainly were at YYZ by 2004.

Almost every aircraft type has been thrown at YHM over years from Jetstream 31s, SF340s, 727s, any flavour of 737, A32X, 767s and now E295s. Nobody has found that magic path to profitability yet be it short haul, transborder, transcon or transatlantic. In that business the speed at which money can be lost is breathtaking. Doesn't matter if it is 132 seats or 189 seats per plane if you are selling that seat below your cost.
True but the economic picture isn't static. Westjet tried to compete head on with Air Canada, and vice versa. They instead have changed their strategy to a Bell/Rogers duopoly where Air Canada rules the east and Westjet rules the west and dominate the 4 major hub airports (Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal). Porter is actively trying to find an alternative set of hubs they can use, kind of the Southwest Airlines model in the US. It's why they have started one at YOW, which wasn't important enough for Air Canada with YUL next door, but big enough to get international flights, and are the first airline into YHU when it's terminal opens. YHM would seem to be part of that strategy, they've done it before with Billy Bishop, no one would have expected that to take off the way it did

The previous attempts say of Lynx, Flair,. Swoop etc trying to turn YHM into a Ryanair-like cheap bus terminal for the sky didn't succeed, but Porter doesn't follow that model. The terminal improvements would make YHM a much nicer airport to fly out of then what it is today
 
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Buffalo is certainly a problem, particularly when it comes to the low fare US crowd. The biggest problem for porter is finding work for the tails they have now and the additional 40 or so they coming.

Admittedly, i haven't followed the porter jet operation all that carefully. Isn't YOW more of a mtc base with majority of flights out operating out of YYZ?
 
To say Swoop failed is a little stretch. If swoop wasn't a success, it would've been taken to the back of Westjet's HQ and dumped in 2020/2021. Instead, swoop grew its fleet post pandemic with 6 new aircraft.

One of the major factors contributing to the downfall of swoop was Westjet's new ALPA deal, where Swoop pilots would be deemed WS employees and be getting paid WS rates + benefits. So instead of trying to run two airlines under one brand, they decided just to pack it up and move their resources to focus on Alberta growth.
Additionally, there was also the focus of moving westjet to be an Alberta dominant airline, which happened around the same time (but is slowly reversing course?).

Why wouldn't westjet keep some routes? Well... there are several reasons and they did "try" but I don't believe there was much advertising or knowledge of the 2 routes they picked up (Halifax/St Johns). They did run Orlando and Tampa with yields >95%. Additionally, since they opted to base one westjet aircraft in YHM, I'm assuming they couldn't justify having to pay crew overnight stays when YYZ is just a small commute away.
 
Despite what out friend from Mississauga thinks. I actually anticipate success here.

When Westjet first came to Eastern Canada (YHM) they were extremely successful at YHM, I know I was working there at the peak. Loads across the board we're in the 95% to 98% Capacity. They left for YYZ because the merger of Canadian Airlines and Air Canada had been completed and that left a very empty T3. Along ame the GTAA with some lucrative deal and pulled WJ away. Despite then never admitting this and instead blaming the weather.

Then swoop came in and again was successful up until 2020. Infact I think swoop offered more routes than Westjet did, or atleast different ones.

Again nother to do woth YHM but.more.to do with union bs they shut.down the airline.

Now what hasn't Westjet added more mainline flights into YHM. Probably because they have decided to build up YYC.

They don't really even offer much from YYZ anymore compared to what they used to.

Since the beginning Westjets business model has changed significantly. They are basically Canadian Airlines 2.O not an ULCC.


Having said all of that the demographics of the Greater Hamilton area have changed the past 10 to 15 years. A lot of Toronto transplants. Greater economic growth throughout the region.

Plus we are seeing significant investment in the terminal.

As for the schedule structure it's strictly designed for maximum aircraft utilization.

2 jets for the 4 flights.
 
Buffalo is certainly a problem, particularly when it comes to the low fare US crowd. The biggest problem for porter is finding work for the tails they have now and the additional 40 or so they coming.

Admittedly, i haven't followed the porter jet operation all that carefully. Isn't YOW more of a mtc base with majority of flights out operating out of YYZ?
Besides the maintenance base, they greatly expanded the number of destinations out of Ottawa, to the point it almost matches YYZ and YUL, though not in total flights. I mean it was pretty easy, the planes are right there anyway

However they went and recently officially declared YOW their newest hub (and not YUL oddly). They are even talking terminal expansion, which the airport hadn't originally planned on.

I'm pretty sure they will call YHU a hub as well once it opens. As for YHM, that's definitely not a near term thing, but I could see it eventually, as it matches the strategy they seem to be following

 
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as in VIA rail? The closest rail line to YHM is over 15km away. There is no easy rail connections here and likely never will be.

For reference, VIA's current routes and YHM's location, courtesy of VIA's Train Tracker

VIA Hamilton.jpg


I think a more reasonable first step would be to simply offer GO bus services between YHM and Hamilton GO, perhaps utilizing the bus that currently runs to Brantford and McMaster
 
For reference, VIA's current routes and YHM's location, courtesy of VIA's Train Tracker

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I think a more reasonable first step would be to simply offer GO bus services between YHM and Hamilton GO, perhaps utilizing the bus that currently runs to Brantford and McMaster

If anything, at the very least Porter should offer a free shuttle bus.
 
For reference, VIA's current routes and YHM's location, courtesy of VIA's Train Tracker

View attachment 629789

I think a more reasonable first step would be to simply offer GO bus services between YHM and Hamilton GO, perhaps utilizing the bus that currently runs to Brantford and McMaster

That’s quite the detour for the Aldershot-McMaster-Brantford bus.

Ideally, it would be a new Aldershot-Mohawk-YHM-Caledonia-Six Nations route.
 
Despite what out friend from Mississauga thinks. I actually anticipate success here.

When Westjet first came to Eastern Canada (YHM) they were extremely successful at YHM, I know I was working there at the peak. Loads across the board we're in the 95% to 98% Capacity. They left for YYZ because the merger of Canadian Airlines and Air Canada had been completed and that left a very empty T3. Along ame the GTAA with some lucrative deal and pulled WJ away. Despite then never admitting this and instead blaming the weather.

Then swoop came in and again was successful up until 2020. Infact I think swoop offered more routes than Westjet did, or atleast different ones.

Again nother to do woth YHM but.more.to do with union bs they shut.down the airline.

Now what hasn't Westjet added more mainline flights into YHM. Probably because they have decided to build up YYC.

They don't really even offer much from YYZ anymore compared to what they used to.

Since the beginning Westjets business model has changed significantly. They are basically Canadian Airlines 2.O not an ULCC.


Having said all of that the demographics of the Greater Hamilton area have changed the past 10 to 15 years. A lot of Toronto transplants. Greater economic growth throughout the region.

Plus we are seeing significant investment in the terminal.

As for the schedule structure it's strictly designed for maximum aircraft utilization.

2 jets for the 4 flights.
If I had a buck for everyone who said "but the flights were always full" I'd be a rich man. I've lost track of the number of airlines that I worked with that had very high load factors yet still ceased ops.

Terminal three was hardly empty during the period from 2001 to 2004. Don't forget that a bunch of the ex CAIL A320s were rebranded into Tango starting late 2001 and operated out of T3. There was a time where AC operated out of all three Terminals. C3 had swallowed Royal and canjet n 2000 but were still booming until they went bankrupt in November of 2001 and not long after Michel Leblanc surfaced again with his MD83 and later on F100 based Jetsgo before they spectacularly crashed and burned March break weekend in 2005. So, no T3 wasn't a ghost town and there was no "lucrative deal" with the GTAA but there was some space available.

But there was a shift in play at westjet because of the Cail/AC merger. The market was in in flux and they quickly realized an opening. That opening wasn't at Hamilton though. The expansion opportunities that they saw, particularly in the US, and Caribbean as well as the insane decision to enter the Bermuda triangle profitability killer with the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal thing was not something that was going to be handled at Hamilton. It couldn't simply because the throughput of that facility just wouldn't allow it. How many check-in positions are there? Is there US pre-clearance? How many gates? Those were all questions they asked and knew the answers to. Even if they wanted to stay at YHM, there is no way that facility was going to run the operation that they were planning and they certainly weren't going to be pumping $1b into a new terminal. Once the large tranche of 737-7CTs and -8s were coming on property, there was no way they weren't going to shift their focus to Pearson. And this really is the rub here. @ShonTron said it best a couple of posts up. The timings suck. People want choice and if they need to be somewhere outside of the two limited times that porter offers, they're going to YYZ.

No, the schedule is never solely designed based on fleet utilization. Marketing and scheduling work hand in hand. If you plot your flights just on best aircraft utilization you'll get killed on a lot of routes. To me it looks like a connection play between Halifax and points west. Fleet utilization at Porter - at least with the E-jets - seems quite poor over their entire network.

Porter's growth strategy reminds me of target starting from scratch in Canada and trying to open more than a hundred stores in a year. They've got way too many new tails coming that need to find work.

Is there actually a true facility expansion in terms of terminal space and footprint or is it just the new facade and adding boarding bridges?

Love,

-your friend from Mississauga.
 
If anything, at the very least Porter should offer a free shuttle bus.
A shuttle bus providing connections from Aldershot is likely the best option, yes.

It's 4 flights a day at the end of the day too - even a somewhat-frequent GO bus is going to be overkill on service.

Longer term if YHM starts building actual significant service levels, I could see an extension of some of the 41 GO bus trips to Caledonia via YHM and a connection to the Hamilton LRT at Main/King.
 

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