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I have never once heard of CN entertaining the thought of selling the line outside of railfan speculation on forums like this.
Not to beat a dead horse, but if anyone wants to hear it for themselves, the region's staff person is asked directly about this at the 2 hour 26 minute mark in this video recording of the council meeting.
(Councillor Vance Badawey): So they are...entertaining divesting themselves of that track?

(Cheryl Selig - region staff): It's our understanding in our conversations that they are open to that.

It's not directly from CN, but the regional staff certainly seem to believe CN is willing to sell.
 
Not to beat a dead horse, but if anyone wants to hear it for themselves, the region's staff person is asked directly about this at the 2 hour 26 minute mark in this video recording of the council meeting.


It's not directly from CN, but the regional staff certainly seem to believe CN is willing to sell.
Are they supposed to say “no fn way they’re selling!” I mean they are saying what we want to hear without anyway for us to confirm if it’s true or not. I’ll believe it when I see it.
 
Stoufville 810 train broken down.... 840 train super delayed... whats going on this morning.....
 
At 1,200 people per train, even 15 minute 2WAD does not empty a 30,000 seat venue very fast. Subway helps a lot, but that's 1,000 riders every two minutes at very optimistic headways. Building Line 4 west from Yonge will help.
A 12-car GO Train has 1800 seats, and a crush load of about 3000 people. So the post-concert train service (every 10 minutes) has a capacity of 18 000 people per hour, which is about the same as each direction of the subway (given that it takes a couple minutes to fill up each subway train, so the best headway is about 4 minutes).

During the first half-hour after the concert, the capacity is approximately:
3x 3000 people - SB GO Train (every 10 minutes)
7.5x 1000 people - NB subway (every 4 minutes)
7.5x 1000 people - SB subway (every 4 minutes)
Total: 24 000 people carried in 30 minutes

It doesn't matter that the GO trains can't single-handedly empty the stadium because most people are not heading to Union anyway. The limitation to the GO trains seems to be demand rather than capacity. The vast majority of people leaving the event head into the subway, presumably because they're going somewhere other than downtown. Thousands of people also head northbound on the subway to get back to the park-and-ride lots:
Finch W: 347 spaces
Pioneer Village: 1881 spaces
Hwy 407: 550 spaces
VMC: 900 spaces
Total: 3678

Based on the photos from the Stray Kids concert, the GO trains were departing only about 1/3 full, and when the last train departed there were still thousands of people who hadn't reached the station yet. By some accounts it took over an hour to walk the 1.3 km from the stadium to the station, which is exactly what I'd expect with such large crowds. I find it insane that they decided to build the stadium so far from the station considering they force everyone to take transit and there's no reasonable walking route from Sheppard West, but that's a separate issue.
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GO Transit claims that there are onward connections at Union for the Kitchener, Lakeshore East, Lakeshore West and Stouffville lines, but if you check the updated schedules the last Kitchener train still departs Union before the first train from the concert arrives.

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Maybe if they actually scheduled extra connecting trains at Union they'd have an easier time convincing people to take the GO train at Downsview Park.

I know of no plans to add staging points to the Barrie line that would allow extra GO trains to be added, as happens at Union on major event nights.
There is a staging point on the Barrie line at the site of the former York U station. That's where two of the three extra GO trains are stored. My guess is the third train runs north in front of the 22:54 departure from Union and sits in the second track north of Snider diamond (the last southbound train has already passed at that point). They could potentially add more extra trains by storing them in the siding north of Maple.
 
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Concert goers aren't happy with GO transit's snarky AI bot...

As Coldplay kicked off a concert run at the new Rogers Stadium at Downsview Park in Toronto, some GO Transit riders expressed frustration with service and in at least one instance a customer received an AI-generated response. Nick Westoll reports.



 
I find those bike coaches are either completely full or completely empty, no in-between.
Because they typically add them in response to a specific surge (e.g. to Niagara on weekend mornings, to Brampton on weekday evenings), and the coaches stay on the train for the entire day, including times when there is no major surge of bikes.

My guess is they were observing overcrowding of bikes on AM weekend trains from Brampton and PM weekend trains to Brampton so they added a bike coach to the most overcrowded trip(s). But of course that coach also exists for the entire day do it sits mostly empty on other trips.

Do the platform screens announce that an approaching train has a bike coach? If not, people may just be parking in the aisles as they're used to, not knowing that there's a bike coach on a particular departure.
 
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Because they typically add them in response to a specific surge (e.g. to Niagara on weekend mornings, to Brampton on weekday evenings), and the coaches stay on the train for the entire day, including times when there is no major surge of bikes.

My guess is they were observing overcrowding of bikes on AM weekend trains from Brampton and PM weekend trains to Brampton so they added a bike coach to the most overcrowded trip(s). But of course that coach also exists for the entire day do it sits mostly empty on other trips.

Do the platform screens announce that an approaching train has a bike coach? If not, people may just be parking in the aisles as they're used to, not knowing that there's a bike coach on a particular departure.

The issue is Uber Couriers.

I recall a few times at Union where the platforms were crowded with Bramptonites and their bikes heading to work. If they were not in designated bike cars the trains would have been a fire hazard.

This is one of the reasons I was in favor of banning e-bikes on GO trains.
 
I’m not up to speed on how consists cycle between Bramalea, Barrie, and Stouffville runs, but it must be a challenge to deploy the bike cars where most needed given that trainsets do cycle between lines.
I have seen less overcrowding of courier bikes on Bramalea trains lately, but now I am seeing more on LSE runs. The owners seem to be self policing more than in the past

-Paul
 
I’m not up to speed on how consists cycle between Bramalea, Barrie, and Stouffville runs, but it must be a challenge to deploy the bike cars where most needed given that trainsets do cycle between lines.
I have seen less overcrowding of courier bikes on Bramalea trains lately, but now I am seeing more on LSE runs. The owners seem to be self policing more than in the past

-Paul
It could be because there’s not as many couriers on the LSE, but my experience with them has been positive. Most seem to stick to the 2 bikes per coach rules. I’ll see some guys notice the car stopping in front of them is full and they run to the next car looking for space. Some I’ve seen even just wait for the next train. Which I guess is easy because weekend service is every 15 minutes. Most of them are patient with the elevators and let those who need it go first like my elderly parents. I’m not sure what rush hour is like, since I only take the train on weekends for the most part.
 
On weekends the Kitchener Line doesn’t interline with other lines. Niagara doesn’t either but when there are service disruptions trains are sometimes cycled onto other lines, especially the last Niagaea train after terminating at Union.
 

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