11th
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Some how I think it can use less words and perhaps replaced with pictograms to a degree.
At least be consistent with formatting - platform vs. number of coaches.
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At least be consistent with formatting - platform vs. number of coaches.
drum118
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As for bus loop, unless ML picking up the full cost to move the new transit Hub to the station, its a dead issue for Stratford other than one bus bay.
The rest I will leave to others as I don't follow train movement here other that What I have seen. As for noise, not going to have a great impact on the locals moving it east as well what impact it will have in the new location as noise travels.
As for TOD, low on the list for the city.
Jonny5
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The driverless shuttle they are testing that connects to the Whitby GO Station crashed into a tree.
Apparently the only person on board was the attendant. It isn't known yet whether it was operating in autonomous mode, or if the attendant was manually driving it at the time.
Apparently the only person on board was the attendant. It isn't known yet whether it was operating in autonomous mode, or if the attendant was manually driving it at the time.
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tiffer24
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drum118
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ssiguy2
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Yes, GO expansion will offer more transportation option but for most, not a better one because in order for transit to be successful it must be accessible and in that metric, GO does extremely poorly. The reality is that GO is simply too expensive not only due to it's fares but also {and probably more so} due to having no fare integration. Accessibility is not just physical but also financial.
The whole point of this exercise is to offer more options at non-peak times. GO is successful as a commuter service because it is faster and cheaper than driving due to traffic and high parking rates. In off peak {and especially after 6PM and on weekends} those advantages disappear. Traffic is moving and parking is much cheaper or free.
The reality is that most patrons who use GO already have a car. This means that their car payments and insurance are basically going to have to be paid regardless of transit options. With todays better gas mileage and electric/hybrid vehicles, GO becomes the expensive option. Who in their right mind is going to take GO when they can get to their destination faster, more comfortably, and cheaper by driving? This is especially true if there is more than one person in the car which is far more common outside commuting hours which is exactly the new patrons GO is trying to entice. .
Spending money is the easy part and God knows Metrolinx excels at that but fare integration requires actual planning and political balls and Metrolinx has none. Metrolinx has done absolutely nothing about fare integration and much worse doesn't seem to think it's an issue. Recently the TTC & York Region have proposed very limited fare integration on key boundary routes which is suppose to be the job of Metrolinx............transit coordination across the entire GTAH. It's clear proof that Metrolinx has decided to simply abrogate this responsibility and the long suffering commuters of Toronto are paying the price.
The whole point of this exercise is to offer more options at non-peak times. GO is successful as a commuter service because it is faster and cheaper than driving due to traffic and high parking rates. In off peak {and especially after 6PM and on weekends} those advantages disappear. Traffic is moving and parking is much cheaper or free.
The reality is that most patrons who use GO already have a car. This means that their car payments and insurance are basically going to have to be paid regardless of transit options. With todays better gas mileage and electric/hybrid vehicles, GO becomes the expensive option. Who in their right mind is going to take GO when they can get to their destination faster, more comfortably, and cheaper by driving? This is especially true if there is more than one person in the car which is far more common outside commuting hours which is exactly the new patrons GO is trying to entice. .
Spending money is the easy part and God knows Metrolinx excels at that but fare integration requires actual planning and political balls and Metrolinx has none. Metrolinx has done absolutely nothing about fare integration and much worse doesn't seem to think it's an issue. Recently the TTC & York Region have proposed very limited fare integration on key boundary routes which is suppose to be the job of Metrolinx............transit coordination across the entire GTAH. It's clear proof that Metrolinx has decided to simply abrogate this responsibility and the long suffering commuters of Toronto are paying the price.
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Krypto98
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So according to Trainssee and some people in the area, the speed restriction at Shakespeare between Stratford and Kitchener has been lifted and trains can now go 60 mph there. This saves 4-5 minutes. This could possibly put the total travel time at 3hr 43 mins. Still a long way off from the possible 2hr 40 minutes with the 1970s historical speed + Kitchener - Toronto improvements.
Northern Light
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As previously noted, an announcement is coming in the near future on some form of fare integration.
I don't have any details and can't speak to its quality, but I would expect to hear something before the end of Q1 2022 and maybe sooner (report on future fare structure options is going to the TTC meeting in February)
nfitz
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I thought the February TTC report was just about TTC fare structures, particularly capping, and the fair fare policies. What indications are there that they've finally made progress on fare integration?
Northern Light
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See this post by @Allandale25
GO Transit: Davenport Diamond Grade Separation | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx
^ Maybe they'll time the first revenue service train for May 26, 2014 which I think was the first revenue service day for the West Toronto Grade Separation.
Read the actual letter, and maybe some of the observations in posts below.
nfitz
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Ah - good news maybe. I don't follow that thread very closely, I hadn't realised that fare integration was being discussed there.
It all depends on how much Verster was spinning, and how accurately the NDP MPP was taking notes - but potentially good news. Presumably independent of TTC's February report. Perhaps less so for the April one - might explain why there is two.
reaperexpress
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Great news! Based on the chart you posted earlier, this was the lowest-hanging fruit along the line: a short 30 mph slow order in an otherwise 60 mph zone. Hopefully they are also working on the two other similar slow orders (one just east of Stratford and the other crossing Hwy 7 west of New Hamburg).
Speed diagram previously posted by Krypto98
Location of the 30 mph slow order which still exists west of New Hamburg (as of today):
I highly doubt the time savings of resolving the single 30 mph slow order in Shakespeare would be 4-5 minutes, given that it was only a couple hundred metres long, and even a full station stop on a 60 mph line only adds about 2 minutes, including coming to a full stop and sitting still for 30 seconds.
And by the way, how do you make these charts? I looked quickly on transsee.ca but I didn't see any obvious way of exporting data.
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JasonParis
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Almost every recent Metrolinx public meeting has had a question about fare structure in the region. They've consistently responded that an announcement will be coming likely in 2022.
crs1026
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I gather the overpass over No 7 is what’s slow-ordered there…. possibly a substantial price tag to remove that one.
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Krypto98
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I copy and pasted each individual line into excel and formated with one column with time and another with speed. I'll likely make another chart soon with the Guelph speed improvements.Great news! Based on the chart you posted earlier, this was the lowest-hanging fruit along the line: a short 30 mph slow order in an otherwise 60 mph zone. Hopefully they are also working on the two other similar slow orders (one just east of Stratford and the other crossing Hwy 7 west of New Hamburg).
Speed diagram previously posted by Krypto98
Location of the 30 mph slow order which still exists west of New Hamburg (as of today):
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I highly doubt the time savings of resolving the single 30 mph slow order in Shakespeare would be 4-5 minutes, given that it was only a couple hundred metres long, and even a full station stop on a 60 mph line only adds about 2 minutes, including coming to a full stop and sitting still for 30 seconds.
And by the way, how do you make these charts? I looked quickly on transsee.ca but I didn't see any obvious way of exporting data.
I think there was another 15mph speed restriction increased to 30 mph near Kelly's
What was the 1970s time for kitchener to Stratford?