[T3G]

Can we make GO 1.0 usable before throwing out fantasies about the midtown line? Ridiculous how many stations still don't have all day service, and instead of focusing on that we're drawing more lines on a map.

 

[Bojaxs]

Can we make GO 1.0 usable before throwing out fantasies about the midtown line?

You're posting in the GO Midtown line thread.

 

[T3G]

You're posting in the GO Midtown line thread.

in response to an official announcement....

 

[Bojaxs]

in response to an official announcement....

So can you explain to us what we're allowed to talk about regarding the Midtown line within the Midtown line thread?

 

[T3G]

So can you explain to us what we're allowed to talk about regarding the Midtown line within the Midtown line thread?

Who said anything about what YOU are allowed to talk about? Why would this be policing you? This thread has existed for ages and if I wanted to complain about what you are discussing I have had ample opportunity.

The government made an announcement. I commented on that announcement. If you are not actually the account of Prabmeet Sarkaria, this has nothing to do with you. Move along.

 

[Bojaxs]

Who said anything about what YOU are allowed to talk about? Why would this be policing you? This thread has existed for ages and if I wanted to complain about what you are discussing I have had ample opportunity.

The government made an announcement. I commented on that announcement. If you are not actually the account of Prabmeet Sarkaria, this has nothing to do with you. Move along.

You need to calm down.

 

[T3G]

You need to calm down.

The last two comments in the thread were both quoting the official announcement, I didn't think I needed to quote it a third time in a row (in fact, many forums frown upon this as its eats up necessary space on the page) to make it clear that I'm not knocking the userbase of this forum.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[whatever]

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Float her? I barely knew her!

How quickly could a line like this realistically be in service? The progress they've made upgrading the above grade OL corridor through Riverdale/Leslieville/Riverside has been impressive

 

[Towered]

Float her? I barely knew her!

I read that in a Bob Hope voice!

 

[ARG1]

Can we make GO 1.0 usable before throwing out fantasies about the midtown line? Ridiculous how many stations still don't have all day service, and instead of focusing on that we're drawing more lines on a map.

Except this is quite reasonable transit planning? The best way to build transit isn't to focus on one mega project at a time, but to have a constant pipeline of new projects for staff to work on. Much of GO Expansion is well under construction, the contracts have been signed, and the transfer of operations is expected to take place this year. We shouldn't have to wait until GO Expansion is almost done before we start saying "Ok, what do we do now?". No, you have the planners at Metrolinx start making IBCs, EAs, and do the planning for GO 2.0 whilst ONXpress is busy building GO Expansion so that by the time all of the projects under "GO Expansion" are complete, they can immediately jump straight into building GO 2.0 - and the initial planners can start working on GO 3.0 or whatever. This is how planning and construction is done in pretty much every part of the world not called North America. Part of what makes this continent particularly awful at getting anything done is the fact that we tend to tender projects in massive collections of mega projects that end up becoming political circuses resulting in nothing being built.

 

[DirectionNorth]

Except this is quite reasonable transit planning? The best way to build transit isn't to focus on one mega project at a time, but to have a constant pipeline of new projects for staff to work on. Much of GO Expansion is well under construction, the contracts have been signed, and the transfer of operations is expected to take place this year. We shouldn't have to wait until GO Expansion is almost done before we start saying "Ok, what do we do now?". No, you have the planners at Metrolinx start making IBCs, EAs, and do the planning for GO 2.0 whilst ONXpress is busy building GO Expansion so that by the time all of the projects under "GO Expansion" are complete, they can immediately jump straight into building GO 2.0 - and the initial planners can start working on GO 3.0 or whatever. This is how planning and construction is done in pretty much every part of the world not called North America. Part of what makes this continent particularly awful at getting anything done is the fact that we tend to tender projects in massive collections of mega projects that end up becoming political circuses resulting in nothing being built.

GO Expansion costs some unknown amount that is at least $15 billion and likely closer to $25 billion. If this isn't a megaproject, I don't know what is. This GO 2.0 crayon proposal, adding two lines and maybe with other things thrown in, is another massive megaproject announced when it seems that even Metrolinx and ONxpress haven't finalized the scope of GO Expansion. Will it include the Richmond Hill line? Kitchener GO to Kitchener? These seem like important questions to answer before starting "GO 2.0," whose name implies a megaproject. I worry that Metrolinx is taking too many projects into its hands, and this is constraining project management capacity (which we know they are in short supply of) and driving up costs. For that matter, we are hearing about value engineering on GO Expansion 1.0, which is a $24 billion project.

GO Expansion is not close to finishing construction. GO Expansion, as managed by ONxpress, is more accurately described as close to starting construction.

An approach as you describe would be smaller. We tender GO Expansion to (for example) 7.5 minute headways on the Lakeshore Lines. Once construction starts, we start planning the next line. Once construction is complete, we move the crews to Stouffville. Then Barrie. Then Kitchener. Then Milton, etc., etc. And we approach projects with a coordinated set of construction timelines and line items that would allow us to gradually improve service, both today, and do more work in the future,, with minimal disruption and cost (see: Scarborough Junction Grade Separation), not by value engineering eleven-figure projects.

Edited 10 seconds after posting; added a word

 

[abovegrade]

Would the third GO line be something like this?:
(Map by Khalil Heron)

 

[chrisw]

Yes, I was wondering if that'd be part of Go 2.0 or 3.0

 

[DirectionNorth]

Would the third GO line be something like this?:
(Map by Khalil Heron)

View attachment 630080

I would be extremely shocked if the York Sub was ever constructed as a GO Line. When we placed GO Transit on the Kingston and Oakville subdivisions (the Lakeshore lines) in the 1960s and 1970s, I imagine the deal with Canadian National was this: "this (the Lakeshore lines) is our transit line, and this (the York Sub depicted here) is your freight line." Why would CNR accept another relocation, unless we paid billions of dollars?

I also dislike the 407 rail orbital. None of the centres on the 407 line are strong enough to be connected with a rail line. The destinations are just too thinly spread out over the 905 - the strength of the Transitway concept is that buses can come and go to different destinations (and skip stations with nobody waiting). My opinion only, but it's just not a strong transit rail line in the foreseeable future.

 

[Adjei]

Would the third GO line be something like this?:
(Map by Khalil Heron)View attachment 630080

I thought this Burlington to Oshawa line which is also supposed to go through Pearson is supposed to be similar to the Ontario Line and not a go line ?