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Having GO trains to use the Mid-Town corridor would help in avoiding increase in train traffic in the downtown. However, it does mean requiring transfer stations for passengers who don't want to use the Mid-Town or Downtown stations.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Having GO trains to use the Mid-Town corridor would help in avoiding increase in train traffic in the downtown. However, it does mean requiring transfer stations for passengers who don't want to use the Mid-Town or Downtown stations.
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Could we see all GO lines except for LS E&W Alternate between it and Union? Would there even be enough space to fit what would be needed to do that?
 
micheal_can said:
Could we see all GO lines except for LS E&W Alternate between it and Union? Would there even be enough space to fit what would be needed to do that?
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Need a freight train bypass north of Highway 7 first. Industry is slowly moving out of town, existing industrial lands are being converted to mixed-use high density.
 
micheal_can said:
Could we see all GO lines except for LS E&W Alternate between it and Union? Would there even be enough space to fit what would be needed to do that?
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This would require a massive amount of infrastructure. I don’t think the demand to travel to Midtown Toronto will ever be high enough to justify slashing service in and out of Union on all lines in half.

I will note that a service plan like the one you brought up was studied in the 1990’s, and also brings up the points I made:
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Willybru21 said:
This would require a massive amount of infrastructure. I don’t think the demand to travel to Midtown Toronto will ever be high enough to justify slashing service in and out of Union on all lines in half.

I will note that a service plan like the one you brought up was studied in the 1990’s, and also brings up the points I made:View attachment 630026
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With the plan of 2WAD having those lines split between the 2 stations,it may work well to alleviate some of the crunch on Union and the Line 1 Subway service.
 
micheal_can said:
With the plan of 2WAD having those lines split between the 2 stations,it may work well to alleviate some of the crunch on Union and the Line 1 Subway service.
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There isn’t going to be any capacity concerns at Union after the USEP project, GO Expansion improvements, and the Ontario Line.

You really do have to consider that if you’re running an line every 15 minutes, you’re only going to be having trains departing Union every 30 minutes under a split service plan.

Union has the central business district, entertainment district, is the transfer point to Exhibition Place, Pearson, and national rail, and is connected to 2 arenas & concert venues. Midtown Toronto doesn’t have any of that.

I’m not saying that there isn’t people on the existing lines that would like to go to Midtown Toronto instead of Union, but not everything needs to be a 1 seat ride, especially when it sacrifices 50% of departures in and out of Union.
 
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Willybru21 said:
There isn’t going to be any capacity concerns at Union after the USEP project, GO Expansion improvements, and the Ontario Line.

You really do have to consider that if you’re running the Barrie Line every 15 minutes, you’re only going to be having trains departing Union every 30 minutes under a split service plan.

Union has the central business district, entertainment district, is the transfer point to Exhibition Place, Pearson, and national rail, and is connected to 2 arenas & concert venues. Midtown Toronto doesn’t have any of that.

I’m not saying that there isn’t people on the existing lines that would like to go to Midtown Toronto instead of Union, but not everything needs to be a 1 seat ride, especially when it sacrifices 50% of departures in and out of Union.
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Maybe 50% is too high. Maybe it is 25%, maybe even less. However, why should any line be forced on to it in the first place? With your reasoning, if a GO line isn't going to Union, it isn't serving the most riders of the line.
 
micheal_can said:
With your reasoning, if a GO line isn't going to Union, it isn't serving the most riders of the line.
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Now you’re putting words into my mouth, I never said 0 service should go through to the Midtown line. I just don’t think slapping a percentage onto existing service and moving way too many trains out of Union is a smart idea. There will never ever be equal or more demand to go to Midtown than Union.

I think a fully independent Midtown Line with connections to other lines is a perfectly fine idea, and likely the option that will be taken.
 
Willybru21 said:
This would require a massive amount of infrastructure. I don’t think the demand to travel to Midtown Toronto will ever be high enough to justify slashing service in and out of Union on all lines in half.

I will note that a service plan like the one you brought up was studied in the 1990’s, and also brings up the points I made:View attachment 630026
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So the Milton line doesn’t get a midtown option. I love the Milton line. It’s the best.
 
Willybru21 said:
Now you’re putting words into my mouth, I never said 0 service should go through to the Midtown line. I just don’t think slapping a percentage onto existing service and moving way too many trains out of Union is a smart idea. There will never ever be equal or more demand to go to Midtown than Union.

I think a fully independent Midtown Line with connections to other lines is a perfectly fine idea, and likely the option that will be taken.
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I now understand what you mean.

I find it interesting how other cities have branch lines on one main service,and we are going to do the reverse.
 
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