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lenaitch said:
Other than railfans, does anybody outside of fleet operations really care about the visibility, placement or colour of fleet numbers? I get the need for an attractive livery, most organizations concern themselves with their 'corporate image' to varying degrees, but does anybody think ridership would change if the fleet was, say, all white?
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Shop forces and yardpeople need to be able to find the numbers without walking half the length of the car, or having to wait until the car has rolled all the way by them.

For that reason, I’m surprised that the numbers aren’t on both ends of the car, as they were with the old green scheme..

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
Shop forces and yardpeople need to be able to find the numbers without walking half the length of the car, or having to wait until the car has rolled all the way by them.

For that reason, I’m surprised that the numbers aren’t on both ends of the car, as they were with the old green scheme..

- Paul
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Geez are we seriously going to waste pages and time to debate something so trivial that honestly doesn't matter at all to 99.99%? If anything the only ones qualified to comment on the merits of where a sticker is placed are the yards people themselves. If there are any issues with the numbers they would've changed it a long time ago.
 
GO tested black and b-end numbers back when the Series 10 coaches were new, both aren’t used anymore so I think it’s safe to say that both aren’t necessary:

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cplchanb said:
Geez are we seriously going to waste pages and time to debate something so trivial that honestly doesn't matter at all to 99.99%? If anything the only ones qualified to comment on the merits of where a sticker is placed are the yards people themselves. If there are any issues with the numbers they would've changed it a long time ago.
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I’m just cynical enough about ML (and not without good reason) to wonder whether the operations and maintenance arm knew exactly where they wanted the numbering - as those early efforts suggest - but the art and style design gods at corporate had other ideas. (Operability? Pffft…..we’re creating world class graphic design here….)

One of the craft skills that railroaders develop (and this is the sort of thing that separates the railroader from the railfan wannabe) is figuring out how to do their job with the minimum walked distance. A novice railroad yard worker will walk miles extra in a day until they figure out the most efficient way to get the job done.

If you are a Willowbrook mechanic whose job assignment is to correct a hvac defect in car xxxx, which is somewhere in a trainset in track Y, finding said car without walking the entire train length is worth a little paint. Labelling the A end is helpful too, even though there are conventions and ways to figure that out.

- Paul
 
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Supposedly the consist on 614 and 664 are 6 car consists, it seems as though the 6 packs may be returning.
 
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It will be nice to return to shorter, faster trains off-peak.

I wonder why GO avoids 8-car trains... the only recent example I can think of is the 2014-2019 Niagara Weekend service. Other than that they only use 6, 10 or 12 packs.
You'd think that some of the 10 car trains could actually be 8 cars, improving acceleration.
 
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