[RU479]

What options could be chosen. The only new passenger locomotives in the market at the moment is the Siemens Charger and EMD F125, although I suspect an Alstom built locomotive could be in the running too.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

What options could be chosen. The only new passenger locomotives in the market at the moment is the Siemens Charger and EMD F125, although I suspect an Alstom built locomotive could be in the running too.

Well, Metra just took delivery of Progress Rail’s SD70MACH which I pray Metrolinx isn’t considering. Pictured below.

If I was EMD, I’d try to bid hard with the F125. The initial kinks with the Metrolink (USA) delivery seemed to be worked out, and they need more customers to compete with Siemens. One would assume they have more manufacturing capacity available too. F125 pictured below.

Who knows, maybe there is a wildcard in the mix, maybe a new model of locomotive? Time will tell!

 

[RU479]

Well, Metra just took delivery of Progress Rail’s SD70MACH which I pray Metrolinx isn’t considering. Pictured below.

Well while I doubt Metrolinx will order refurbished freight locos, there is a part of me that actually thinks these locomotives be rebuilt used locomotives.
Considering that the procurement process still isn't done and the locos are expected within less than 2 years, it seems less and less likely 8 locos could be built shipped and delivery to MX within such a short time frame.

Keep in mind there are a lot of used passenger locomotives entering the market, it would also be a lot cheaper then buying 13 new locomotives.

 

[WB62]

Well while I doubt Metrolinx will order refurbished freight locos, there is a part of me that actually thinks these locomotives be rebuilt used locomotives.
Considering that the procurement process still isn't done and the locos are expected within less than 2 years, it seems less and less likely 8 locos could be built shipped and delivery to MX within such a short time frame.

Keep in mind there are a lot of used passenger locomotives entering the market, it would also be a lot cheaper then buying 13 new locomotives.

There’s also an option in the contract to extend it to a total of 33 new locomotives, but I’m not sure if this affects on weather it’ll be second hand or brand new ones.

 

[cplchanb]

Well while I doubt Metrolinx will order refurbished freight locos, there is a part of me that actually thinks these locomotives be rebuilt used locomotives.
Considering that the procurement process still isn't done and the locos are expected within less than 2 years, it seems less and less likely 8 locos could be built shipped and delivery to MX within such a short time frame.

Keep in mind there are a lot of used passenger locomotives entering the market, it would also be a lot cheaper then buying 13 new locomotives.

dont even give via a chance to buy more walking dead locos. the last thing they need to rejuvenate are more old second hadn equipment. weve been spending 60 years on used cars.

 

[cplchanb]

If I was EMD, I’d try to bid hard with the F125. The initial kinks with the Metrolink (USA) delivery seemed to be worked out, and they need more customers to compete with Siemens. One would assume they have more manufacturing capacity available too. F125 pictured below.

Who knows, maybe there is a wildcard in the mix, maybe a new model of locomotive? Time will tell!

Its more like they need a customer PERIOD. this thing hasnt sold to a single customer after the first batch.

 

[T3G]

dont even give via a chance to buy more walking dead locos. the last thing they need to rejuvenate are more old second hadn equipment. weve been spending 60 years on used cars.

I don't think you appreciate that transportation agencies don't govern themselves on cheap populist soundbites like "walking dead locos".

They are a business, and so money will guide the decision making process. New equipment will be procured if it is the cheaper choice. On the other hand, second hand equipment will be purchased, or old stock refurbished, if that comes down to being the more economical choice. This is it. There is no secret conspiracy to disgrace the Canadian rail industry, or purposefully withhold new equipment from passengers out of spite, it is an economic move to save money.

Now I will disclose I do not, obviously, have access to any operator's financial information and to see what they are or aren't thinking. But if the decision making process ends up favouring old equipment, are you willing to pay extra fare to get new equipment? In times of inflation like this, we should be avoiding frivolous spending. If we can get a better deal through second hand or refurbishing, we should be doing just that.

 

[cplchanb]

I don't think you appreciate that transportation agencies don't govern themselves on cheap populist soundbites like "walking dead locos".

They are a business, and so money will guide the decision making process. New equipment will be procured if it is the cheaper choice. On the other hand, second hand equipment will be purchased, or old stock refurbished, if that comes down to being the more economical choice. This is it. There is no secret conspiracy to disgrace the Canadian rail industry, or purposefully withhold new equipment from passengers out of spite, it is an economic move to save money.

Now I will disclose I do not, obviously, have access to any operator's financial information and to see what they are or aren't thinking. But if the decision making process ends up favouring old equipment, are you willing to pay extra fare to get new equipment? In times of inflation like this, we should be avoiding frivolous spending. If we can get a better deal through second hand or refurbishing, we should be doing just that.

considering we are paying a hefty price to scrape the living out of the HEP fleet just to keep them alive is proof enouigh that the frugalness in the long term doesnt work. try replacing these end of life relics now with the parts shortages and extreme inflation. we have no choice but to contiunue to waste money on these obsolete dinos.

 

[T3G]

What relics are you referring to, exactly? With the exception of the two EMD switchers, VIA's oldest locomotives are 35 years old, the F40PH. For locomotives, which are built to very heavy standards and can withstand a lot, this seems like a reasonable general timeframe to be replacing them in. When exactly would you have replaced them???

 

[cplchanb]

What relics are you referring to, exactly? With the exception of the two EMD switchers, VIA's oldest locomotives are 35 years old, the F40PH. For locomotives, which are built to very heavy standards and can withstand a lot, this seems like a reasonable general timeframe to be replacing them in. When exactly would you have replaced them???

all the hep cars and lrc cars which make up the vast majority of our fleet. they belong in a museum or tourist train. not mainline service, especially as a so called developed nation

 

[T3G]

Perhaps you should specify that in your post next time, considering both the post you quoted and the one you initially responded with referenced locos, not rail cars.

I will grant you the point of the HEP cars, rolling stock from the 40s and 50s indeed should not be in regular service anymore. The LRC cars are half their age and lumping them in together is absolutely ludicrous. And I hark back to my comments about the GO BiLevels from some time ago: provided the rolling stock is well maintained, you can still get another decade or two of useful service out of a 40 year old coach. Many "developed" countries do and the sky hasn't fallen there. Calling such cars "walking dead" rolling stock smells of elitism.

 

[cplchanb]

Perhaps you should specify that in your post next time, considering both the post you quoted and the one you initially responded with referenced locos, not rail cars.

I will grant you the point of the HEP cars, rolling stock from the 40s and 50s indeed should not be in regular service anymore. The LRC cars are half their age and lumping them in together is absolutely ludicrous. And I hark back to my comments about the GO BiLevels from some time ago: provided the rolling stock is well maintained, you can still get another decade or two of useful service out of a 40 year old coach. Many "developed" countries do and the sky hasn't fallen there. Calling such cars "walking dead" rolling stock smells of elitism.

if you read my first sentence carefully you wouldve seen this:

"considering we are paying a hefty price to scrape the living out of the HEP fleet just to keep them alive is proof enouigh that the frugalness in the long term doesnt work"

 

[dowlingm]

considering we are paying a hefty price to scrape the living out of the HEP fleet just to keep them alive is proof enouigh that the frugalness in the long term doesnt work. try replacing these end of life relics now with the parts shortages and extreme inflation. we have no choice but to contiunue to waste money on these obsolete dinos.

Apart from structure lifespan and serviceability/parts supply, newer coaches have train management systems and have accessibility and amenities designed in at conception. Some of the improvements in modern coaches, even if refittable, would drive the refit cost to the point where a new coach would be just as expensive but with full structural lifespan. So decisions are taken that some passengers get the new shiny even if not deliverable as a refit contract to a politically advantageous location, and others don’t.

 

[RU479]

There’s also an option in the contract to extend it to a total of 33 new locomotives, but I’m not sure if this affects on weather it’ll be second hand or brand new ones.

That makes it lean towards the new side considering there aren't that many one singular type of used locos still waiting. But if the contract is awarded to a leasing company or something that rosters a bunch of used locomotives then they could provide more than one type of locomotive.

 

[Allandale25]

Can't recall if this has already been posted here.